Racists

[J R Hartley]

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But you have friends who are, correct?

Certainly not

[RonnieBird]

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But you have friends who are, correct?

No, again, certainly not.
I’ve been there but not for a long time and I thought it was an awful place.
The little “racist “ thing wasn’t missed by the way but as I’ve said before I really don’t go in for proving at length that I’m not a racist in the absence of the tiniest indication that I might be.

[RonnieBird]

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Actually I think you’re a nice intelligent chap AZ but for your own sake don’t do this thing of baselessly crying racism every time you hear something you don’t necessarily like. You’re better than that I think.

[life on mars]

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Incredibly Instagram have said monkey and banana emoji use is not breaking rules, surely they are if there used towards a black person ? 🤔

[lardy]

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What ethnicity are you?

Assume he's never lived somewhere where he is the minority.

[RonnieBird]

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Assume he's never lived somewhere where he is the minority.

Probably been in a minority most places I’ve lived since you mention it, but I don’t think that’s ever occurred to me before.

[RonnieBird]

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Is race really the most important defining factor of a human being as far as you’re concerned then ?

[Elwood Blues]

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I would imagine an awful lot of racism is ignorance and from this believing a specific group is to blame for not getting what the person behaving that they wants whether that's the security of a house and a job or, yesterday, a football result.

Yesterday we saw loud racism but each and every one of those felt it was a legitimate thing to say because of what they've read in the media and heard certain politicians say.

The media they've read and certain politicians they're listening to aren't loud about their racism or ignorant.

How do you know each and every racist felt it was a legitimate thing to say because of the media and some politicians say?

I don't think most of the give two figs about the media and politicians, they say and do these things because they are bigoted idiots.

[jimmyscoular]

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[jimmyscoular]

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People can say and do what they want

But with the right to do that comes a responsibility

For example if Ronnie Bird doesn't like immigration policy as he feels there are too many immigrants in this country thats fine , he's entitled to that view and some would agree with him . He's not breaking the law having that opinion .

But if Ronnie Bird goes to a Cardiff City match and he shouts racist abuse at an opposition player he is of course entitled to do that but if I see him do it I will inform the police and if they see him on camera making racially offensive gestures .....which he has every right to make .......exercising that right will get him arrested and charged and possibly convicted of a public order offence .

So people have a right to say and act in whatever way they want but if they break the law , they might regret what they said or did .

How's that then? How can you be convicted for exercising a right? Surely, if you can be arrested and convicted for doing something then that something is not a right.

[light up the darkness]

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I think the subject of racism is multi layered. At one end it’s a philosophical position and at the other is more practical. It could be that the reason we still have racism and racist comments is that it’s not one problem but many that society has to deal with and the mechanisms are not robust or fit for purpose.

It’s also about how comments are heard or perceived. The Prime Minister seems to think it’s ok to be casually racist in his comments as do other Tory politician’s and supporters. So others take it as a lead.

Where I live Im referred to by local citizens as ‘the foreigner’. My in laws refer to me as ‘the foreigner’. My father in law also refers to me as ‘the foreign devil’ when he’s had a beer.

When talking about westerners I also refer to them as foreigners so that the people I’m talking to understand to whom I’m referring. But. When new staff or visitors come and are also called foreigner it comes as quite a shock to their sensitive natures. They can be quite affronted by it.

I’m not saying it’s right but in any society it’s seems too easy to slip into other peoples madnesses despite good intentions.

[celticknight]

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Or we could just apply a sense of proportion and let people say what they want, whether it’s offensive or not.

Same guy talking about the English players kneeling:

Bloody nonsense .
No ones booing it because they support racism. They just oppose BLM which wants to defund the police and armed services and thinks all white people are intrinsically bad ( which IS racism).
I appreciate that these people are probably too thick to understand that , but personally I don’t want to pay to watch them publicising ANY political beliefs. They can do that in their own time.

I think he's outing himself here.

"People can say what they want, as long as I agree with it!"

[adz-a32]

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Or we could just apply a sense of proportion and let people say what they want, whether it’s offensive or not.
That’s what we used to do anyway, and to me it seemed to work better.
See, that’s a great opening post but no one else will comment because they’re all scared of getting in trouble and being accused of racism.

Try being a person of colour and feeling safe when that happens…

The world does not revolve around white people

[RonnieBird]

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Same guy talking about the English players kneeling:



I think he's outing himself here.

"People can say what they want, as long as I agree with it!"

Letting people say what they want doesn’t mean that you then have to agree with or condone what they choose to say.
Can you see how that works? It’s called liberal democracy.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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How's that then? How can you be convicted for exercising a right? Surely, if you can be arrested and convicted for doing something then that something is not a right.

I am simply explaining that people have the right to say what they want but if they do this it could be what they say means they will be arrested

You can call someone a nggr if you want to but you might get arrested for it

No more complicated than that

With free speech comes responsibility