Racists

[Baloo]

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Can't understand how you won't see it. You are treating her differently because of her Asian heritage.
You're obviously staunchly anti racist . Right up until the point that someone from an ethnic minority gets a bit 'uppity', at which point the first thing you mention is her ethnic background. The fact you mention that ridiculous term 'whataboutery' suggests you have no capacity for debate or introspection

I wouldn't say that 'whataboutery' is a ridiculous term. It perfectly encapsulates a technique people sometimes use to try to deflect or discredit an argument.

[chrisp_1927]

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I wouldn't say that 'whataboutery' is a ridiculous term. It perfectly encapsulates a technique people sometimes use to try to deflect or discredit an argument.

It's generally used to try and shut down debate by eliminating the introduction of context to a discussion. In this case, 'whataboutery' has been chucked in to try to deflect personal criticism

[chrisp_1927]

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My cartoon @TheTimes Wednesday on keeping #PritiPatel quiet. #TakingTheKnee #TyroneMings pic.twitter.com/uEA8bkEIBM

— Peter Brookes (@BrookesTimes) July 14, 2021

How did this get published?

Because its priti Patel and she's a tory. Vile racist imagery is fine aslong as its aimed at a tory woman. Quick read of this thread will confirm that !

[Dave Blue]

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With England shirt fresh out of the packet. The bandwagon jumping didn’t last long.

[Baloo]

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It's generally used to try and shut down debate by eliminating the introduction of context to a discussion. In this case, 'whataboutery' has been chucked in to try to deflect personal criticism

Clearly it depends on how it's actually used. But it can accurately describe an attempt to avoid having to directly refute an argument by instead attempting to divert and discredit. This actually happens a lot in my experience.

[Rjk]

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Because its priti Patel and she's a tory. Vile racist imagery is fine aslong as its aimed at a tory woman. Quick read of this thread will confirm that !

is that racist imagery?

[dembethewarrior]

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is that racist imagery?

My thought as well.

[chrisp_1927]

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is that racist imagery?

On 2nd look probably not tbf.

[the other bob wilson]

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My cartoon @TheTimes Wednesday on keeping #PritiPatel quiet. #TakingTheKnee #TyroneMings pic.twitter.com/uEA8bkEIBM

— Peter Brookes (@BrookesTimes) July 14, 2021

How did this get published?

Why shouldn’t it be?

[William Treseder]

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I can fully understand where you are coming from and we have discussed this before .


Patel is as guilty of playing politics as those she says as doing so by taking the knee .



Who is she to tell black footballers or black people what they should do ?



I think not agreeing with the knee is fine but booing it is in my opinion showing peoples true colours , if you will pardon the expression

As for taking direct action against racists not everybody has the confidence and physical ability to do that as again we have discussed before .

If racists were arrested in greater numbers and put before the courts and given stiff sentences then that , as in other crimes , might deter some , but as you suggest there will always be racists as there will always be murderers , it can never be stopped

Kick It Out has done very little , the clubs and the authorities do very little although I have to say the two times I have grassed on racist cardiff city fans , once at Ninian Park and once at Scarborough when I witnessed a fellow fan spit in the face of an opposition player simply warming up on the touchline ff sake .......the police were brilliant and nicked and charged them both ......

Taking the knee is certainly brought the subject closer to the spotlight than stamp out racism signs and kick it out . I think its set to stay following the latest crap these young lads have had to put up with , whether Patel likes it or not

I wonder if they will catch the offenders , and it appears there were many and if they will be locked up ?

I hope they do but I very much doubt they will face prison . Its certainly what they deserve .

We have discussed this before many times Sludge, and whilst our views on the subject slightly differ, i do respect your opinions on most things (except your musical tastes),
I also understand that those of a quieter nature and smaller build might not want to confront a few neanderthal racist slobs at a game, or anywhere else for that matter.
The thing that irks me though, is right down through history, minorities have caused chaos all over the world, The majority of folk of all nationalities, are caring, loving, peaceful people. Are we going to let minorities run wild and roughshod forever, and only condemn them from a distance?

[Feedback]

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Listened to this just now. There are many other black people out there with these views and I can never understand it

https://www.instagram.com/p/CRSQzOSJ...dium=copy_link

you are no doubt aware that slavery has always plagued mankind, from the year dot.

[dembethewarrior]

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you are no doubt aware that slavery has always plagued mankind, from the year dot.

I no doubt am.

[cyril evans awaydays]

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you are no doubt aware that slavery has always plagued mankind, from the year dot.

Agree. Conquerors through history have enslaved oppressed people for their benefit. Recent examples are the Nazis and the Soviets. It's not a zero sum game though surely. The later generations of enslaved people have a right to remember the injustices exercised on their ancestors and seek to make the world they are growing up in a better place?

[adz-a32]

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you are no doubt aware that slavery has always plagued mankind, from the year dot.

But the slavery of American Americans still have modern day consequences...

Someone is missing the point, as usual...

[Feedback]

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Agree. Conquerors through history have enslaved oppressed people for their benefit. Recent examples are the Nazis and the Soviets. It's not a zero sum game though surely. The later generations of enslaved people have a right to remember the injustices exercised on their ancestors and seek to make the world they are growing up in a better place?

Thats all of us then.