Rabbi Matondo to Stoke

[blue lewj]

Re: Rabbi Matondo to Stoke

The problem isn’t him it’s how the rest of the side are set up and how bang average the midfield is.

Anyone can see he’s a quality player but it isn’t going to shine through when the rest of the team don’t have any quality.

And yet Tomlin still produced in a team set up in a very similar style to this.

One is genuinely one of the best players in the Championship, the other isn't consistent enough.

[blue lewj]

Re: Rabbi Matondo to Stoke

He’s a 20 year old winger ffs, people seem to write every young winger off as fast with no end product. When will people learn this takes time to develop.

A 20 year old winger who has had some of the best coaching both here and in Germany and is now looking to go to Stoke on loan.

You think he will come good, I'm not so sure. Relax.
We're not signing him anyway.

[Croesy Blue]

Re: Rabbi Matondo to Stoke

And yet Tomlin still produced in a team set up in a very similar style to this.

One is genuinely one of the best players in the Championship, the other isn't consistent enough.

That seems a big step from he’d be nothing without set pieces.

I think Wilson is a better player than Tomlin even just on talent. If Tomlin could get in the shape Wilson is in maybe it would be closer.

[Rjk]

Re: Rabbi Matondo to Stoke

Schalke played him a fair bit.
He did himself no favours with his performances when they did.

Hopefully he is a late flourisher and gets a fundamental part of wing play into his game. It will benefit Wales after all. I just don't think he will.

he's only had 3 appearances this season, and last year he played about 13 games worth of minutes. that is the entirety of his senior club career isn't it?
16 games in 18 months, many of them as a teenager.
yes some players burst onto the scene at that age, but others don't and still go on to be good players.

[blue lewj]

Re: Rabbi Matondo to Stoke

That seems a big step from he’d be nothing without set pieces.

I think Wilson is a better player than Tomlin even just on talent. If Tomlin could get in the shape Wilson is in maybe it would be closer.

Tomlin produced more in his little spell at the tail end of last season than Wilson has so far this season.

I disagree with you in that I do not think he is one of the best players in the championship. He does not produce that quality enough. For me he hasn't this year up to now either. Top players go looking for the ball, impose themselves on the game. Wilson hasn't done that anywhere near regularly enough.

You will probably say he has. It is all about opinions.

[blue lewj]

Re: Rabbi Matondo to Stoke

he's only had 3 appearances this season, and last year he played about 13 games worth of minutes. that is the entirety of his senior club career isn't it?
16 games in 18 months, many of them as a teenager.
yes some players burst onto the scene at that age, but others don't and still go on to be good players.

He has had 3 appearances because every time he has played he has been nothing short of dire and produced nothing.

He could do well at Stoke. If he performs as he has done at Schalke then he will not. Pace without the ability to produce something of quality counts for very little.

He runs very fast. If they can coach into him a bit of composure once he gets there and a better head for decision making then he will be some player.

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Re: Rabbi Matondo to Stoke

yes precisely.

he's only 20, think of players like adama Traore at that age, pace and dribbling but nothing else. some time in the championship should be good for him

To be fair that's all Adama Traore is now, most overhyped player in the Premier League

[blue lewj]

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That seems a big step from he’d be nothing without set pieces.

I think Wilson is a better player than Tomlin even just on talent. If Tomlin could get in the shape Wilson is in maybe it would be closer.

Let's cut a long story short here.

Has he produced enough this season to be anywhere near the running for Championship player of the year? Yes or no?

[Rjk]

Re: Rabbi Matondo to Stoke

To be fair that's all Adama Traore is now, most overhyped player in the Premier League

he's a really exciting player - is never going to be mr consistent but on his day he can be a match winner against anyone.
He went to Wolves for about what we paid for Murphy I think - I know who I'd rather.

[Rjk]

Re: Rabbi Matondo to Stoke

Let's cut a long story short here.

Has he produced enough this season to be anywhere near the running for Championship player of the year? Yes or no?

No, that'll be Emi Buendia probably, unless someone buys him this month.

Wilson is in the running to be Cardiff player of the year though. Especially as the other two contenders are both out injured.

[blue lewj]

Re: Rabbi Matondo to Stoke

No, that'll be Emi Buendia probably, unless someone buys him this month.

Wilson is in the running to be Cardiff player of the year though. Especially as the other two contenders are both out injured.

I didn't ask who would win it.

I asked if he would be in the running based on his performances this season in a City shirt?
There is a difference between being the best players in the Championship and potentially the best players.

Being in contention to be the best player for the 15th placed team isn't that for me.

[Pedro de la Rosa]

Re: Rabbi Matondo to Stoke

I didn't ask who would win it.

I asked if he would be in the running based on his performances this season in a City shirt?
There is a difference between being the best players in the Championship and potentially the best players.

Being in contention to be the best player for the 15th placed team isn't that for me.

He won't win it because we aren't very good.

He's also not as good as quite a few players in the relegated sides. There's an awful lot of talent in the division, and we are way off it.

[Rjk]

Re: Rabbi Matondo to Stoke

I didn't ask who would win it.

I asked if he would be in the running based on his performances this season in a City shirt?
There is a difference between being the best players in the Championship and potentially the best players.

Being in contention to be the best player for the 15th placed team isn't that for me.

on the other hand, if he ends up being our player of the season then that would also suggest that we have bigger problems elsewhere

[blue lewj]

Re: Rabbi Matondo to Stoke

on the other hand, if he ends up being our player of the season then that would also suggest that we have bigger problems elsewhere

This isn't a slight on Wilson at all but if we could have spent the loan wages on somebody in the middle then I would have taken that all day.

As much as I'm not Wilson's biggest fan he is on a hiding to nothing here.

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Re: Rabbi Matondo to Stoke

he's a really exciting player - is never going to be mr consistent but on his day he can be a match winner against anyone.
He went to Wolves for about what we paid for Murphy I think - I know who I'd rather.

Averaging his stats for the last 3 years, he gets 1.6 goals and 3.3 assists a year. None of either so far this year. He might occasionally look good but 90% of the time he's completely ineffective