The 2011 Riots , BBC2 , 9pm

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Ten years ago

Cripes where does the time go

The country was out of control

[Tuerto]

Re: The 2011 Riots , BBC2 , 9pm

Ten years ago

Cripes where does the time go

The country was out of control

Have you watched Steve Mc queen's Documentary series 'Uprising' All about the New Cross fire in 1981, the rise of the National Front, Racism within the police force and the subsequent disturbances that led from it. Really interesting.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: The 2011 Riots , BBC2 , 9pm

Have you watched Steve Mc queen's Documentary series 'Uprising' All about the New Cross fire in 1981, the rise of the National Front, Racism within the police force and the subsequent disturbances that led from it. Really interesting.

Yes I saw that

[J R Hartley]

Re: The 2011 Riots , BBC2 , 9pm

Scum

[xsnaggle]

Re: The 2011 Riots , BBC2 , 9pm

Scum

:tumbleweed:

[J R Hartley]

Re: The 2011 Riots , BBC2 , 9pm

:tumbleweed:

So you think its ok for people to burn down their own communities?

[Mr Soul '68]

Re: The 2011 Riots , BBC2 , 9pm

Ten years ago

Cripes where does the time go

The country was out of control

I didn't see the programme last night, but from memory weren't the riots all about chavvies breaking into and looting stores then burning parts of their communities down? Coupled with a weak, ineffectual, under-manned, under-strength police force unable to stop them doing this?

[xsnaggle]

Re: The 2011 Riots , BBC2 , 9pm

So you think its ok for people to burn down their own communities?

chap,
i made no comment either side,
i was just waiting for some of the usual suspects to decide which side you were calling scum. :shrug:

[Hometown Unicorn!]

Re: The 2011 Riots , BBC2 , 9pm

What you have to question is the conditions people found themselves in, which made rioting the last resort to make themselves heard.

I live in Wood Green, just down the road from Tottenham where it all kicked off. A combination of low paid work, lack of opportunities for young people, poor housing, stop and search disproportionally targeting young black men, under investment in local services (such as community centres, youth clubs, support groups etc) as a result of austerity, strain on local health services....all created the environment for the frustrations that arised.

The Mark Duggan killing and how the police handled it was then the match that lit the torch.

Now a lot of people took advantage of this with the looting of businesses and destruction of property, which is completely out of order. But people don't destroy their communities for no reason, it is always a culmination of factors causing anguish and frustration.

I'm not sure if the government has actually learned anything form those riots, conditions are not so different now and this government seems very antagonistic too, pandering to the far right. Wouldn't surprise if we saw similar situations in the coming years.

[delmbox]

Re: The 2011 Riots , BBC2 , 9pm

chap,
i made no comment either side,
i was just waiting for some of the usual suspects to decide which side you were calling scum. :shrug:

hasn't really worked out the way you wanted it to, this, has it?

[J R Hartley]

Re: The 2011 Riots , BBC2 , 9pm

What you have to question is the conditions people found themselves in, which made rioting the last resort to make themselves heard.

I live in Wood Green, just down the road from Tottenham where it all kicked off. A combination of low paid work, lack of opportunities for young people, poor housing, stop and search disproportionally targeting young black men, under investment in local services (such as community centres, youth clubs, support groups etc) as a result of austerity, strain on local health services....all created the environment for the frustrations that arised.

The Mark Duggan killing and how the police handled it was then the match that lit the torch.

Now a lot of people took advantage of this with the looting of businesses and destruction of property, which is completely out of order. But people don't destroy their communities for no reason, it is always a culmination of factors causing anguish and frustration.

I'm not sure if the government has actually learned anything form those riots, conditions are not so different now and this government seems very antagonistic too, pandering to the far right. Wouldn't surprise if we saw similar situations in the coming years.

The initial protest may have started off with the right intentions but what ensued had little to do with politics and more to do with feral behaviour and opportunists.

The majority involved were not making a stand against ill-treatment, thats just a cop out. It was mob mentality and once they could see the police had little control of the situation boy did they take the opportunity with both hands.

[The Hooded Claw]

Re: The 2011 Riots , BBC2 , 9pm

Australian band The Temper Trap even recorded this track about it…

https://youtu.be/k44FXkCPtik

[JamesWales]

Re: The 2011 Riots , BBC2 , 9pm

What you have to question is the conditions people found themselves in, which made rioting the last resort to make themselves heard.

I live in Wood Green, just down the road from Tottenham where it all kicked off. A combination of low paid work, lack of opportunities for young people, poor housing, stop and search disproportionally targeting young black men, under investment in local services (such as community centres, youth clubs, support groups etc) as a result of austerity, strain on local health services....all created the environment for the frustrations that arised.

The Mark Duggan killing and how the police handled it was then the match that lit the torch.

Now a lot of people took advantage of this with the looting of businesses and destruction of property, which is completely out of order. But people don't destroy their communities for no reason, it is always a culmination of factors causing anguish and frustration.

I'm not sure if the government has actually learned anything form those riots, conditions are not so different now and this government seems very antagonistic too, pandering to the far right. Wouldn't surprise if we saw similar situations in the coming years.

The reasons why anything happens is always multi-faceted, and while there is some truth here, I think this oft-given reasoning is a bit one-sided really.

I'm sure the police handled things poorly initially, but for example, austerity hadnt really kicked in by then and the issue of stop and search is way more complicated than suggested - it saves countless lives too (disproportionately black). It's certainly not an excuse for what happened.

Has the government learnt much? I think so, although riot conditions are never far away in any country. It doesnt help saying stuff like the government are antagonistic and pandering to the far-right, which is a ridiculous statement with no basis in reality, but helps to undermine faith in the police and government, which others will exploit.

[Mr Soul '68]

Re: The 2011 Riots , BBC2 , 9pm

But people don't destroy their communities for no reason, it is always a culmination of factors causing anguish and frustration.

I'm not sure if the government has actually learned anything form those riots, conditions are not so different now and this government seems very antagonistic too, pandering to the far right. Wouldn't surprise if we saw similar situations in the coming years.

Chavvies will destroy and anything and everything if they think or know they can get away with it.

Like you, I don't think the tory government has learnt diddley-squat from those riots at all.

Also, I wouldn't say the this government panders to the far right at all. Infact, the total opposite. They seem to pander to the right-on, pc snowflake, woke brigade.

It wouldn't surprise me either, if a similar situation happens within the next year or two,

[delmbox]

Re: The 2011 Riots , BBC2 , 9pm

Chavvies will destroy and anything and everything if they think or know they can get away with it.

Like you, I don't think the tory government has learnt diddley-squat from those riots at all.

Also, I wouldn't say the this government panders to the far right at all. Infact, the total opposite. They seem to pander to the right-on, pc snowflake, woke brigade.

It wouldn't surprise me either, if a similar situation happens within the next year or two,

Right-on TICK
PC Snowflake TICK
Woke TICK
Use of the word Brigade TICK

If you can get liberal lefties or similar in your next post you can win Gammon Bingo! Looking forward to seeing how this develops

:kev: