Plymouth shooting.

[the other bob wilson]

Given the general rule that what happens in America tends to find its way to the UK within a year, it’s a relief and a bit of a surprise that we don’t get more incidents like this:-

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-58197414

That’s no consolation to the bereaved in this case of course - condolences to the family and friends of those who lost their lives.

[Elwood Blues]

Re: Plymouth shooting.

Given the general rule that what happens in America tends to find its way to the UK within a year, it’s a relief and a bit of a surprise that we don’t get more incidents like this:-

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-58197414

That’s no consolation to the bereaved in this case of course - condolences to the family and friends of those who lost their lives.

Our Gun laws were nowhere near as lax as America. Even so they were quite correctly tightened after Hungerford and Dunblane and are now among the tightest in the world, which is one reason why we don't get the same problems as America.

Presumably they will now review them again.

As you say condolences to all those affected.

[Hilts]

Re: Plymouth shooting.

Awful.

Just outlaw guns apart from the forces etc.

[Rjk]

Re: Plymouth shooting.

Looks like he was one of those incel guys - only 23 as well

one of the 6 killed was a child under the age of 10.

[ninian opinian]

Re: Plymouth shooting.

Given the general rule that what happens in America tends to find its way to the UK within a year, it’s a relief and a bit of a surprise that we don’t get more incidents like this:-

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-58197414

That’s no consolation to the bereaved in this case of course - condolences to the family and friends of those who lost their lives.

Looking at his FB Page he is a Trump Supporter i.e. right wing loon

[Rjk]

Re: Plymouth shooting.

Looking at his FB Page he is a Trump Supporter i.e. right wing loon

Difficult to ignore the role of social media in this kind of radicalisation. It can be a power for good, but in cases like this it seems to lead lonely depressed young men to form a toxic environment where this is the outcome.
I'm sure I had plenty of friends who didn't have any girlfriends by that age.

[life on mars]

Re: Plymouth shooting.

Looking at his FB Page he is a Trump Supporter i.e. right wing loon

Someone who thinks at acts like that like that would have carried out some tragedy or harm with or without Facebook the lad is a lunatic , or spiced up , I'd be shocked if the family were targeted for politic purposes

[ninian opinian]

Re: Plymouth shooting.

Someone who thinks at acts like that like that would have carried out some tragedy or harm with or without Facebook the lad is a lunatic , or spiced up , I'd be shocked if the family were targeted for politic purposes

People are being groomed by social media and right wing loons NQAT.

[Rjk]

Re: Plymouth shooting.

Someone who thinks at acts like that like that would have carried out some tragedy or harm with or without Facebook the lad is a lunatic , or spiced up , I'd be shocked if the family were targeted for politic purposes

He was a massive incel, and seems to have radicalised himself online amongst other incels.
Im sure they aren't all right wing, but often the politics of the far right (or the far left) is appealing to those who want someone to blame for what they see as an unfair life so there is probably a degree of crossover.

Increased isolation during covid may well not have helped - if he'd been out socialising with some normal friends instead of being angry on the internet with other incels then maybe it wouldn't have happened.

[RonnieBird]

Re: Plymouth shooting.

These things happen irrespective of gun laws, anti free speech laws etc etc.
Be great if you could prevent them but you can only discourage them.

I get the impression that it’s essentially a domestic gone nuts.

If I were going to look for societal reasons it’d be an obsession with crime and violence in all entertainment etc plus abandonment of 8000 years of natural human behaviour ( which is bound to cause mental illness) , but really it was another sad case of one man giving in to the voices of evil.

[Rjk]

Re: Plymouth shooting.

These things happen irrespective of gun laws, anti free speech laws etc etc.
Be great if you could prevent them but you can only discourage them.

I get the impression that it’s essentially a domestic gone nuts.

If I were going to look for societal reasons it’d be an obsession with crime and violence in all entertainment etc plus abandonment of 8000 years of natural human behaviour ( which is bound to cause mental illness) , but really it was another sad case of one man giving in to the voices of evil.

What do you mean by abandonment of 8000 years of natural human behaviour?

[Mad as a fish]

Re: Plymouth shooting.

Looking at his FB Page he is a Trump Supporter i.e. right wing loon

Social Media has a hell of lot to answer for. There again I am in my 70s and have always managed without it. Having said that I suppose this site could be construed as social media so maybe I am just a snowflake.

[lardy]

Re: Plymouth shooting.

These things happen irrespective of gun laws, anti free speech laws etc etc.
Be great if you could prevent them but you can only discourage them.

I get the impression that it’s essentially a domestic gone nuts.

If I were going to look for societal reasons it’d be an obsession with crime and violence in all entertainment etc plus abandonment of 8000 years of natural human behaviour ( which is bound to cause mental illness) , but really it was another sad case of one man giving in to the voices of evil.

That's why we have laws, isn't it? To discourage bad things from happening. I'm trying to work out if you're arguing that we shouldn't bother with gun control laws. The anti free speech laws bit, well I've no idea what that's supposed to mean in this conversation.

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Plymouth shooting.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-58197414

[Llandaff Blue]

Re: Plymouth shooting.

These things happen irrespective of gun laws, anti free speech laws etc etc.
Be great if you could prevent them but you can only discourage them.

I get the impression that it’s essentially a domestic gone nuts.

If I were going to look for societal reasons it’d be an obsession with crime and violence in all entertainment etc plus abandonment of 8000 years of natural human behaviour ( which is bound to cause mental illness) , but really it was another sad case of one man giving in to the voices of evil.

The only reason it happened is because he was a virgin, I can link his Reddit account if you want (and if it’s allowed on here). He was utterly obsessed with being a virgin at his age and he couldn’t separate his mind from it.

Looking at his YouTube videos I am not surprised no one wanted to be his partner, he’s outwardly negative and seems unpleasant to be around. Shame he decided to take out innocent people yesterday, he was lucky enough to have legal access to a gun, just shoot yourself if you’ve come to terms with suicide, not innocent people (one I assume is his mother). Maybe there’s a question about mental health treatment in this country, is it good enough? Who knows if he even tried to get help