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[the other bob wilson]

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Finally got his hundred and then bowled the next ball - 172-6 and it's down to the latter order to give us a good total yet again.

[BlueToujours]

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101 now. Well done young man. Great to see him notch another century after a pretty lean spell. Argh just saw TOBW post.

[Llanedeyrnblue]

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Another pathetic,tame surrender looming, Macheda just threw his wkt away going for a six, we're not in a run chase

[the other bob wilson]

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Surprised to see Rudolph saying on the Glamorgan website that he wants another quick bowler signed up for next season, when it's been clear for the last few years that the batting, particularly in the top order, is not good enough.

Yes, Cooke and Ingram have been missing for most of the time, but, certainly in the four day game last season, they were as inconsistent as anyone - all of the younger batsmen used have had their ups and downs which is to expected, but what shouldn't be is that only one of the more experienced specialist batsmen (Will Bragg) has had what could be called a reasonable season in the Championship.

All out now, Gloucester need 90 to win.

[MacAdder]

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Surprised to see Rudolph saying on the Glamorgan website that he wants another quick bowler signed up for next season, when it's been clear for the last few years that the batting, particularly in the top order, is not good enough.

Yes, Cooke and Ingram have been missing for most of the time, but, certainly in the four day game last season, they were as inconsistent as anyone - all of the younger batsmen used have had their ups and downs which is to expected, but what shouldn't be is that only one of the more experienced specialist batsmen (Will Bragg) has had what could be called a reasonable season in the Championship.

All out now, Gloucester need 90 to win.

He's got a point though. If you think how many times the lower order have made big stands against us, a decent bowler cleans up.
Agree there is no point in bowling sides out if you can't bat, they both go hand in hand but I wonder if our batsmen would apply themselves more if we had a decent attack. Most have got themselves decent scores this season, more so the young uns so they can do it if they try a bit harder!

Anyway, today's game is now over well within the 3rd day. We've hit a new low losing by 10 wickets!

[Pearcey3]

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That pitch was docile. Senior players like Wagg and Meschede threw their wickets away. The mindset is all wrong. Players are not willing to fight for their wicket so time and again they are bowled out in 60 overs.
One day a youngster like Owen Morgan bats at 9. Two days later he opens the innings. Absolute nonsense.

We have a captain who is a specialist batsman who cannot average even as low as 25. Chris Cooke is our highest ranked batsman in division two but he is not even averaging 40 and is ranked 50th and hasn't played for three months.

We may well finish bottom so under Hugh Morris things are getting worse.
When MacAdder said Morris should go I thought it perhaps a bit harsh but in reality this is professional sport and the players are failing abysmally. Time for Hugh to go and the likes of Meschede and Rudolph need to be cleared out.

[qccfc]

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That pitch was docile. Senior players like Wagg and Meschede threw their wickets away. The mindset is all wrong. Players are not willing to fight for their wicket so time and again they are bowled out in 60 overs.
One day a youngster like Owen Morgan bats at 9. Two days later he opens the innings. Absolute nonsense.

We have a captain who is a specialist batsman who cannot average even as low as 25. Chris Cooke is our highest ranked batsman in division two but he is not even averaging 40 and is ranked 50th and hasn't played for three months.

We may well finish bottom so under Hugh Morris things are getting worse.
When MacAdder said Morris should go I thought it perhaps a bit harsh but in reality this is professional sport and the players are failing abysmally. Time for Hugh to go and the likes of Meschede and Rudolph need to be cleared out.

That's very harsh on Meschede who is really a bowling all rounder. I would very much stick him in the one for the future category, and i think there is promise in his game.

Its hard to complain about your 7 & 8 who are not performing with the bat, but ultimately that is not their job, it the top order that is constantly failing that is the problem. I would like to see a new overseas player come in, but i think contractually that will prove difficult.

At Glamorgan we seem to be going through coaches at an alarming rate, and now we seem to want our CEO out. I wouldnt mind seeing some stability, this season if anything we have the progression of some of the younger players, who might benefit from staying in the same structure.

If we can do anything with the overseas player, get Ingram through a knee op to enable him to play the longer form and sign an experienced top order batsman things could get better.

[Pearcey3]

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That's very harsh on Meschede who is really a bowling all rounder. I would very much stick him in the one for the future category, and i think there is promise in his game.

Its hard to complain about your 7 & 8 who are not performing with the bat, but ultimately that is not their job, it the top order that is constantly failing that is the problem. I would like to see a new overseas player come in, but i think contractually that will prove difficult.

At Glamorgan we seem to be going through coaches at an alarming rate, and now we seem to want our CEO out. I wouldnt mind seeing some stability, this season if anything we have the progression of some of the younger players, who might benefit from staying in the same structure.

If we can do anything with the overseas player, get Ingram through a knee op to enable him to play the longer form and sign an experienced top order batsman things could get better.

Meschede is mid 20's and is an experienced player so not really one for the future. If he is a bowling all rounder he needs to do better than a bowling average of 52 which is pretty hopeless.
I agree coaches should be given a proper chance and given three seasons to show what they can do. I think the same should apply to the Chief Exec.
We have seen some promise in our youngsters but the seniors are badly letting them down. It won't help the younger players playing in a beaten side week in week out.

Under Hugh Morris we are going backwards so something has to give.

[the other bob wilson]

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Meschede is mid 20's and is an experienced player so not really one for the future. If he is a bowling all rounder he needs to do better than a bowling average of 52 which is pretty hopeless.
I agree coaches should be given a proper chance and given three seasons to show what they can do. I think the same should apply to the Chief Exec.
We have seen some promise in our youngsters but the seniors are badly letting them down. It won't help the younger players playing in a beaten side week in week out.

Under Hugh Morris we are going backwards so something has to give.

Ingram was as inconsistent as the rest of them when he played four day cricket for all of last season, but I heard him described as the best one day batsman in domestic cricket at one time during the summer, so being without him all season in the Championship has to be a huge miss for the club.

Similarly, I'm not convinced the batting would have been much better if Cooke had been there for the second half of the season, but if you're a Glamorgan coach or official called to task by the Committee to explain our very poor four day results and batting performances towards the end of this season, you are bound to cite the absence of these two players as a reason for all of the defeats.

I'm not sure what more Morris could do in terms of bringing youngsters through and the most encouraging thing about our Championship season is the way so many of them have shown at times that they have the quality to make a decent career for themselves in the game.

If there has been a failure, it's been that the batsmen you rely on most have not been consistent enough - Bragg has done better than normal to be fair, but Rudolph has been dreadful, Wallace has been given responsibilities which he would have struggled to cope with in his batting pomp and Cooke was his usual up and down self when he played.

To me, Glamorgan are a bit like England in that, when they are behind in a game and have to bat a second time, they nearly always fold and end up losing heavily. Both sides tend to score their runs quickly, but England struggle to build partnerships and have only one or two players who I have confidence in to bat long and responsibly - with Rudolph having such a nightmare season, there isn't one player in the Glamorgan side I feel like that about currently!

I'd prefer to give Croft and Morris another season where, hopefully, everyone is fit (Rudolph spoke about Ingram playing four day cricket again in that interview I mentioned earlier) - I'm not wholly convinced that the experienced men at the top of the order will be able to deliver the goods, but Donald, Lloyd and Selman are developing cricketers and you'd like to think there'd be a bit more to come from them.

[qccfc]

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Meschede is mid 20's and is an experienced player so not really one for the future. If he is a bowling all rounder he needs to do better than a bowling average of 52 which is pretty hopeless.
I agree coaches should be given a proper chance and given three seasons to show what they can do. I think the same should apply to the Chief Exec.
We have seen some promise in our youngsters but the seniors are badly letting them down. It won't help the younger players playing in a beaten side week in week out.

Under Hugh Morris we are going backwards so something has to give.

At 24 i would still put Meschede as one for the future, yes his average needs to improve, but that will come, he will bat better when the top order give him a platform. Same age as David Lloyd, younger then TVG.

Morris role involves running the finances as well as the side and i feel we are seeing a better glamorgan at that point, they have been busy with the local clubs, the ODI were well run and i enjoyed the concerts that they put on at the SWALEC also. With these events hopefully we can see some money filter into the cricketing side of things. We are awfully hampered by the fact we have poor crowds comparatively to the other counties especially in the T20.

I dont think that Cricket is like football where changing the management then changes the fortunes on the pitch. There isnt such an active transfer aspect of cricket, where it may be easier to sign players in the problem areas, and changing things around are a more longer term project. I feel the shoots are there, the younger players are performing better than i would have expected, but the disappointing factor is that the senior players are not standing up, or are ageing to the point that performances are declining.

Since Maynard i dont think it had helped that we have gone from chopping and changing on a 2 year basis, implementing plans, then ripping them up and starting again.

[Pearcey3]

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I agree with much of what has been said in the last two posts but at some stage the hierarchy have to take responsibility. We have had three seasons under Morris and if anything things have gotten worse on the pitch although financially the club is now much more secure and Morris is rightly looking at using the ground for other income streams.
However results on the pitch have to start improving and the club need to be able to bring some of our youngsters through.

My concern is that the youngsters are playing in losing sides. This won't help their development. Will the likes of Donald, Carey,Morgan and Karlson go the same way as Salter who looks surplus to requirements having failed to progress.

We also desperately need a batting coach too.

[Llanedeyrnblue]

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Yet another great start NOT

55-5 versus Essex

[the other bob wilson]

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Yet another great start NOT

55-5 versus Essex

They went from 30-0 to 34-5. I was listening to the on line commentary for a while and Don Topley the former Essex seamer asked Nick Webb who Glamorgan's batting coach was - Webb had to admit that we didn't have one and said it was a subject that was brought up in a meeting Jacques Rudolph had with supporters last week!

[Llanedeyrnblue]

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They went from 30-0 to 34-5. I was listening to the on line commentary for a while and Don Topley the former Essex seamer asked Nick Webb who Glamorgan's batting coach was - Webb had to admit that we didn't have one and said it was a subject that was brought up in a meeting Jacques Rudolph had with supporters last week!

At least Napier won't be there for Essex next season he's retiring, anyway Essex look like getting promoted.
As for not having a batting coach, unbelievable

[Rjk]

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Another pathetic,tame surrender looming, Macheda just threw his wkt away going for a six, we're not in a run chase

At least he's off city's books though, so every cloud...