Afghan

[RonnieBird]

Re: Afghan

Maybe one of the stupidest posts we’ve ever had on here fair play.

Really ?

Invading and occupying them has worked really well hasn’t it ?

Sorry for being so dense Professor and good luck on your next adventure in the desert Lawrence.

[Croesy Blue]

Re: Afghan

I was talking about this

if there were an appetite for “democracy “ it’d have gradually worked its way in over centuries as it has in the West.

Which would be a fair enough quote if you knew nothing about history or the region at all.

[xsnaggle]

Re: Afghan

You mean as part of the evacuees? I think they're just taking those who had worked with our side, but it looks chaotic so not impossible that someone could sneak through.

But really, what's the alternative? Help no one, just in case?

No I didnt mean those that have been helping us, but all the others who will flee.
Another posts mentions 'imagined' sleepers but oddly enough these thing do happen. Strange isnt it?
Those claiming asylum must be aided but there should be strong cheecks in place. And I dont mean UK particularly but all Euorpean countries, they have had their fair share of terrorist incidents in recent years.
I appreciate there is no easy answer but it needs to be addressed. It is too easy to dismiss it because of a humanitarian crisis, but the threat is real not just imagined.

[xsnaggle]

Re: Afghan

I remember the same being said (by the same people) about Syrians.

The fact is, we are more susceptible to terrorism now, and the Taliban are quite capable of getting people into Europe further down the line. They don't need to sneak sleepers on these planes.

As I said, I dont mean on the planes and I dont just mean UK. The potential threat is to the whole of Europe, you may think it is imaginary but it isnt, its real.

[tforturton]

Re: Afghan

I half-expect there to be a civil war in Afghanistan within the next six to twelve months. Their loyalties lie almost solely with family and tribe, and they very rarely stick with allegiances or alliances for very long. Things will start to break down, and we have already seen protests in the larger cities.
If you want to read about the country, try Rory Stewart's excellent travel book 'The places in between', which describes a mainly empty country, where the tribes keep to themselves, and hostile grudges can be held for generations. Actually, his book on the difficulties trying to govern in Iraq, 'Occupational Hazards', is also highly recommended. He'd have been a great (and very different) Conservative leader/Prime Minister, but lost out to Boris Johnson, and declined an opportunity to serve in his Cabinet.

[blue matt]

Re: Afghan

I have a client who used to work in the UK embassy in Kabul ( Ive mentioned him in the past ) he is a ex-RM who now does Close Protection / security work

He befriended a young afghan lad ( he must now be in his late 20's ) when he was cleaning his room in the embassy , The guy has been over to the UK a few times, He has even been to my house for a BBQ ( meat free, poor bloke ), when he comes over he always asks his host if he can have a coffee with me, he loves to hear about family life in the UK and my general waffling ( I know, he must be desperate to hear them from me ) He is always willing to chat about life before the Invasion ( which doesn't sound like much fun ) and life since ( which he loves ), I find him a fascinating bloke and truly wish him well

I spoke to the ex RM about him yesterday, he is desperately trying to get him out, he is a target due to 1. working with the UK, 2. being gay

The ex RM thinks that the Taliban will start off slowly while the world is watching, then as soon as they are old news, the old regime will kick in

[az city]

Re: Afghan

No I didnt mean those that have been helping us, but all the others who will flee.
Another posts mentions 'imagined' sleepers but oddly enough these thing do happen. Strange isnt it?
Those claiming asylum must be aided but there should be strong cheecks in place. And I dont mean UK particularly but all Euorpean countries, they have had their fair share of terrorist incidents in recent years.
I appreciate there is no easy answer but it needs to be addressed. It is too easy to dismiss it because of a humanitarian crisis, but the threat is real not just imagined.

https://www.unhcr.org/cy/wp-content/uploads/sites/41/2015/12/JointStatementUNHCR-Ombudswoman_Dec2015.pdf

[life on mars]

Re: Afghan

I have a client who used to work in the UK embassy in Kabul ( Ive mentioned him in the past ) he is a ex-RM who now does Close Protection / security work

He befriended a young afghan lad ( he must now be in his late 20's ) when he was cleaning his room in the embassy , The guy has been over to the UK a few times, He has even been to my house for a BBQ ( meat free, poor bloke ), when he comes over he always asks his host if he can have a coffee with me, he loves to hear about family life in the UK and my general waffling ( I know, he must be desperate to hear them from me ) He is always willing to chat about life before the Invasion ( which doesn't sound like much fun ) and life since ( which he loves ), I find him a fascinating bloke and truly wish him well

I spoke to the ex RM about him yesterday, he is desperately trying to get him out, he is a target due to 1. working with the UK, 2. being gay

The ex RM thinks that the Taliban will start off slowly while the world is watching, then as soon as they are old news, the old regime will kick in

Hope the lad gets out .

[chrisp_1927]

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Might just be wishful thinking but I think the taliban may have to be a little better behaved than last time. There was a simmering civil war there before the invasion between the taleban and the northern alliance. The taleban needed the crazies of alqaeda and the rest to try and get a handle on them.

As people have mentioned Afghanistan political system is very tribal. The various minorities in Afghanistan actually make up just over 60 %of the population, the majority pashtuns just under 40. The taleban know they are going to be under the microscope from the outside world, so they are probably going to have to give a lot of autonomy to local populations.

[Citizen's Nephew]

Re: Afghan

I have a client who used to work in the UK embassy in Kabul ( Ive mentioned him in the past ) he is a ex-RM who now does Close Protection / security work

He befriended a young afghan lad ( he must now be in his late 20's ) when he was cleaning his room in the embassy , The guy has been over to the UK a few times, He has even been to my house for a BBQ ( meat free, poor bloke ), when he comes over he always asks his host if he can have a coffee with me, he loves to hear about family life in the UK and my general waffling ( I know, he must be desperate to hear them from me ) He is always willing to chat about life before the Invasion ( which doesn't sound like much fun ) and life since ( which he loves ), I find him a fascinating bloke and truly wish him well

I spoke to the ex RM about him yesterday, he is desperately trying to get him out, he is a target due to 1. working with the UK, 2. being gay

The ex RM thinks that the Taliban will start off slowly while the world is watching, then as soon as they are old news, the old regime will kick in

This is a wonderful, sad, and scary post all in one. I wish your ex RM all the best and obviously hope the Afghan lad can escape. I feel really choked up reading this.

[nugent]

Re: Afghan

Bring em all over I say.
It's not thier fault bless em

[xsnaggle]

Re: Afghan

https://www.unhcr.org/cy/wp-content/...an_Dec2015.pdf

And your point is?
If you agree with everything the UN says then you sre a very poor judge.

But even they accept that 1 got through. Are they saying that because only 1 got caught that there were no others? Really?
And if 1 got through others can.But its OK its only in Europe you dont need to worry. Be as liberal as you please.

[az city]

Re: Afghan

Be as liberal as you please.

Thanks for the compliment.

[WJ99mobile]

Re: Afghan

Might just be wishful thinking but I think the taliban may have to be a little better behaved than last time. There was a simmering civil war there before the invasion between the taleban and the northern alliance. The taleban needed the crazies of alqaeda and the rest to try and get a handle on them.

As people have mentioned Afghanistan political system is very tribal. The various minorities in Afghanistan actually make up just over 60 %of the population, the majority pashtuns just under 40. The taleban know they are going to be under the microscope from the outside world, so they are probably going to have to give a lot of autonomy to local populations.

I think wishful thinking. With such a massive vacuum there’ll be power struggles eventually and no real structure for it to be peacefully decided.

[Pilkers]

Re: Afghan

I have a client who used to work in the UK embassy in Kabul ( Ive mentioned him in the past ) he is a ex-RM who now does Close Protection / security work

He befriended a young afghan lad ( he must now be in his late 20's ) when he was cleaning his room in the embassy , The guy has been over to the UK a few times, He has even been to my house for a BBQ ( meat free, poor bloke ), when he comes over he always asks his host if he can have a coffee with me, he loves to hear about family life in the UK and my general waffling ( I know, he must be desperate to hear them from me ) He is always willing to chat about life before the Invasion ( which doesn't sound like much fun ) and life since ( which he loves ), I find him a fascinating bloke and truly wish him well

I spoke to the ex RM about him yesterday, he is desperately trying to get him out, he is a target due to 1. working with the UK, 2. being gay

The ex RM thinks that the Taliban will start off slowly while the world is watching, then as soon as they are old news, the old regime will kick in

Couldn't help thinking Kevin Bridges and his "did ye aye" routine reading this.