Rubin Colwill

[dembethewarrior]

Re: Rubin Colwill

You come across as Mr Reasonable and seem quite knowledgeable about City and football generally but then you come out with something like this !! Do you think that we would deliberately bring a talented, ball playing, attacking midfielder through our system just so that we can stick him in the first team and try to get him to totally change the way he plays ? He is where he is currently in his development and is the type of player he is because he has been brought through our youth and under 23 systems and taught in the right way to make the most of his natural ability. Instead of giving praise to our current youth development structure and staff for the young players we are bringing through at the moment, you insinuate that he (and others) will fail because we don’t play the right way. How are we supposed to alter the way we play unless we develop our young talent and get them to the first team. Its all doom and gloom isn’t it, as usual.

We don't play in a way that suits him.

That's the bare truth mate.

We play to the strengths of players like mozza Flint and Moore. The lumps basically, and that makes sense looking at the team in general.

Not sure what's wrong with bibs post tbh
You must be in the wind up again.

[NYCBlue]

Re: Rubin Colwill

So you think he hasn't shown ‘a mere semblance of promise’. Everyone else, including the current manager and his coaching staff, the Welsh manager and his coaching staff, all the scouts who have been watching him, the media and most of our fans (including me) are wrong then. I bow to your superior knowledge. :facepalm:

You should employ that tactic a bit more often. This board is about opinions. I thought there was a decent debate going on with varied points of view and then you show up with your faux indignation and start insulting people. Why don't you relax and just try and make your point?

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Rubin Colwill

You come across as Mr Reasonable and seem quite knowledgeable about City and football generally but then you come out with something like this !! Do you think that we would deliberately bring a talented, ball playing, attacking midfielder through our system just so that we can stick him in the first team and try to get him to totally change the way he plays ? He is where he is currently in his development and is the type of player he is because he has been brought through our youth and under 23 systems and taught in the right way to make the most of his natural ability. Instead of giving praise to our current youth development structure and staff for the young players we are bringing through at the moment, you insinuate that he (and others) will fail because we don’t play the right way. How are we supposed to alter the way we play unless we develop our young talent and get them to the first team. Its all doom and gloom isn’t it, as usual.

It’s become a viscous circle with the City whereby we’re finally giving players like Colwill a chance, but during all of those years when we weren’t doing that we pursued policies which resulted in the present situation where we’re unable to provide the sort of service to so called flair players in the first half of matches in particular which gets the best out of them. This has made the challenge facing the current crop of youngsters breaking into the side tougher than it needed to be - having a first team which plays in a completely different manner to the age group teams could have been avoided with a bit of planning of a kind that some supporters were calling for when Russell Slade was here.

[willo1927]

Re: Rubin Colwill

Deary me. I just hope this impatience isn’t reflective of the fan base generally. I’m really enjoying seeing younger players coming through and just hope they don’t become a target for impatient fans eager to make knee-jerk judgements about their careers after a handful of games.

Best of luck with that.

[City123]

Re: Rubin Colwill

I wouldn't call it poor personally, maybe the wrong choice in the moment, but then again if Moore didn't anticipate Colwill shooting and made the run into the box and managed to finish it, we would all be saying what a great pass it was.

The pass itself was pretty good as well, Moore apologised for not making the run

[Moodybluebird]

Re: Rubin Colwill

we have had so few youngsters brought through over the years that I guess the crowd need re-educating as to what to expect.
they will make mistakes, and have games where they struggle to make an impact. as long as they keep improving and we are still getting good results then that's fine

think about our more established players - what were they doing when they were 19? Moore, Morrison, Pack, Ralls - none of them were the finished article and would have struggled to make any impact at this level until they were a few years older.

it's still too early to tell whether they will ultimately play the majority of their career at this level, but if they don't get game time then it's a lot less likely that they will.

Very true. My mate is a Yeovil fan and he cannot believe that our Keiffer is the same Keiffer that was on their books in 2013. Seven goals in 50 appearances for Yeovil did not enamour him to their fans but he is obviously a late developer. The same thing could easily apply to Colwill.

After all, who would have thought that a 20 year old loanee called Danny Drinkwater would go on to help Leicester win the Premier League and get 3 England caps in the process.

[MacAdder]

Re: Rubin Colwill

I've not seen much of him and difficult to give an objective view on someone who is not only young but playing properly in front of probably the largest crowd in his career, not match fit and in a system which is what I doubt he has been used to.

The first half we played narrow with wing backs who not once, that I can remember, overlapped and hit the byline.
It was all too congested in the middle of the park by two teams that looked not to give the other anything. Not a great spectacle and nobody, not just Colwill, caught the eye.

Second half the game opened up and the lad found himself with a bit of time on the ball and made two errors in particular, one of which was a pass and not the preferred shot, and they prompted the substitution.

Colwill obviously has talent but we have not seen what he is capable of, hopefully Mick keeps faith in him and he can rise to the challenge and show us.

[A Quiet Monkfish]

Re: Rubin Colwill

So you think he hasn't shown ‘a mere semblance of promise’. Everyone else, including the current manager and his coaching staff, the Welsh manager and his coaching staff, all the scouts who have been watching him, the media and most of our fans (including me) are wrong then. I bow to your superior knowledge. :facepalm:

I used the phrase "Yet to me..". It's an opinion.

[Trigger]

Re: Rubin Colwill

Didn't really grab his chance but given our options he should have more this season.

I'm sure most of us are willing him to do well and would be delighted to see more academy players able to compete for starting places.

[G rangetown Blue]

Re: Rubin Colwill

We played 5-4-1 against Blackpool, and could have scored 5 or 6.

Our 2 best players that day were Bacuna and Giles, who played wide in the 4. Yesterday we replaced them with Colwill and Harris, and it looked like we’d never score.

For me, I’m not sure about Harris…is he a striker, a 10, or a midfielder? He did nothing yesterday, and until Giles came on, we were struggling to create anything.

Another observation, our 2 wing backs (Bagan and Sang) are very inexperienced, and don’t offer us much offensively at the moment, although both look very capable, and will hopefully get better the more they play.

[City123]

Re: Rubin Colwill

We played 5-4-1 against Blackpool, and could have scored 5 or 6.

Our 2 best players that day were Bacuna and Giles, who played wide in the 4. Yesterday we replaced them with Colwill and Harris, and it looked like we’d never score.

For me, I’m not sure about Harris…is he a striker, a 10, or a midfielder? He did nothing yesterday, and until Giles came on, we were struggling to create anything.

Another observation, our 2 wing backs (Bagan and Sang) are very inexperienced, and don’t offer us much offensively at the moment, although both look very capable, and will hopefully get better the more they play.

And both were poor at Peterborough, on came Harris & Colwill and Harris' running in particular helped change the game. Sometimes things work, sometimes they don't. Harris has proven himself to be a useful option over the past year or so & Colwill is clearly talented, it just takes time.

[2b2bdoo]

Re: Rubin Colwill

Need to give these younger players a chance, if they were perfect then they would have been snapped up by bigger clubs ages ago. Bagan in particular at wingback will make costly mistakes from time to time but its how he learns from it.

[ferrari_andretti]

Re: Rubin Colwill

He and Moore also got battered first half. Most of it illegal and ignored by an absolutely hopeless ref

I think that's part of the directives this season for the referees to let more go.

[G rangetown Blue]

Re: Rubin Colwill

And both were poor at Peterborough, on came Harris & Colwill and Harris' running in particular helped change the game. Sometimes things work, sometimes they don't. Harris has proven himself to be a useful option over the past year or so & Colwill is clearly talented, it just takes time.

I agree, Ferguson obviously saw the Blackpool game, and closed them both down. I agree re Colwill, and I hope you’re right about Harris…I just can’t see it myself.

[dembethewarrior]

Re: Rubin Colwill

The pass itself was pretty good as well, Moore apologised for not making the run

Difference between footballers and non footballers.