Harvey Elliott - Playing again.

[dembethewarrior]

Re: Harvey Elliott - Playing again.

Shit approach

Its criminal mate

[billy.ronson]

Re: Harvey Elliott - Playing again.

Might be just me but whilst I usually would applaud him at the time i thought what the **** are you doing trying to go 1v1 in an area of the pitch where if he lost the ball it would have been easy for Bristol to break

But wasn’t that what happened for their second goal when Bacuna lost the ball on the edge of our box ?

[Sloop_Jon_Bee]

Re: Harvey Elliott - Playing again.

Not sure.

Tom Sang is 22 and trusted to play as a wing back, why can't we give him a go in the middle?

On the money mate! Sang, should be in the midfield. :thumbup:
Spedger

[Sloop_Jon_Bee]

Re: Harvey Elliott - Playing again.

Sam Bowen would give us more than ****ing Bacuna that’s for sure,

:thumbup:

[dembethewarrior]

Re: Harvey Elliott - Playing again.

On the money mate! Sang, should be in the midfield. :thumbup:
Spedger

Absolutely. I can't see it any time soon mind, I think MM is set in his ways and we will see more of what we have had rather than trying to change things along the way. We'll see the kids, more through a necessity than choice.

[Nobody's Rep]

Re: Harvey Elliott - Playing again.

You'd hope so. Colwill and Giles behind Moore sounds decent enough on paper.

I think he uses Bacuna there though as an extra man to drop into midfield, basically defensive minded negative approach.

The flaw in that plan by Mick using bacuna as an option in midfield is that bacuna can't tackle or pass and doesn't make any effort to run around at all - two attempts he had to clear the ball from the edge of the 18 yard box before they scored the winner on Saturday and he tried stupid little flicks instead of putting his laces through - he should never be near the starting line up

[dembethewarrior]

Re: Harvey Elliott - Playing again.

The flaw in that plan by Mick using bacuna as an option in midfield is that bacuna can't tackle or pass and doesn't make any effort to run around at all - two attempts he had to clear the ball from the edge of the 18 yard box before they scored the winner on Saturday and he tried stupid little flicks instead of putting his laces through - he should never be near the starting line up

Its OK, I saw someone online suggesting we should never start Bacuna, good start to their post I thought, then they suggested playing Vaulks instead. Imagine swapping one non AM only to play another non AM there... So it's jot just the manager.

I agree. I don't want him starting and I think it's criminal to lose an attacking threat to fit him in, he can't even make clever runs or be anywhere near the right area when the ball gets cut back... To an area he SHOULD be in.. But Mick picks him for exactly that apparently :hehe:

[surge]

Re: Harvey Elliott - Playing again.

So many of our problems are about the team, and makeup of the squad which we don't have budget to change quickly, rather than individuals and Harvey Elliot is getting his chance because i) he's incredibly talented and ii) the way he fits into Liverpool's XI.

Bacuna can clearly tackle and pass - on basis of him being a Premier League/Championship player for 99% of his career - but his strength is being in a midfield 3 which we don't play for two obvious reasons:

i) we don't have two wingers who can be trusted.
ii) we're somewhat protecting Bagan as a player we believe in long term rather than throwing him to the wolves

You might ask why he's playing at all and it's probably again because of the squad Mick's been left with by Warnock:

i) Pack is slow across the ground and needs energy around him to help hide this
ii) Ralls and Vaulks as a two has it's own flaws
iii) Bacuna not trusted in a midfield two

And of course the midfield also needs Bacuna's energy because three CB's behind him aren't comfortable stepping out and playing the ball. It's a three uncomfortable in open play.

Except for two or three moments per match, Bacuna in that role is not working well at all at the moment but 99% of our issues are still how individuals fit next to each other based on the squad Warnock left behind.

[dembethewarrior]

Re: Harvey Elliott - Playing again.

So many of our problems are about the team, and makeup of the squad which we don't have budget to change quickly, rather than individuals and Harvey Elliot is getting his chance because i) he's incredibly talented and ii) the way he fits into Liverpool's XI.

Bacuna can clearly tackle and pass - on basis of him being a Premier League/Championship player for 99% of his career - but his strength is being in a midfield 3 which we don't play for two obvious reasons:

i) we don't have two wingers who can be trusted.
ii) we're somewhat protecting Bagan as a player we believe in long term rather than throwing him to the wolves

You might ask why he's playing at all and it's probably again because of the squad Mick's been left with by Warnock:

i) Pack is slow across the ground and needs energy around him to help hide this
ii) Ralls and Vaulks as a two has it's own flaws
iii) Bacuna not trusted in a midfield two

And of course the midfield also needs Bacuna's energy because three CB's behind him aren't comfortable stepping out and playing the ball. It's a three uncomfortable in open play.

Except for two or three moments per match, Bacuna in that role is not working well at all at the moment but 99% of our issues are still how individuals fit next to each other based on the squad Warnock left behind.

Original point was that he is being trusted in CM which is not usually an area you see youngsters thrown into, so why can't we see it at Cardiff.

Obviously he's a great talent, but, again, he is being trusted there ahead of more senior pros, and again, incase you didn't get the point of the thread, that's something we don't do.

[willo1927]

Re: Harvey Elliott - Playing again.

Liverpool, a big club putting faith in a youngster in a big game playing in centre midfield. Imagine seeing that at Cardiff.

If he was at Cardiff then I'm sure he would be playing.
Another pointless post from you.

[dembethewarrior]

Re: Harvey Elliott - Playing again.

If he was at Cardiff then I'm sure he would be playing.
Another pointless post from you.

Thank you for your valued contribution.

[willo1927]

Re: Harvey Elliott - Playing again.

Thank you for your valued contribution.

No problem

[dembethewarrior]

Re: Harvey Elliott - Playing again.

No problem

I would like to thank you for your further reply and endeavour to continue this conversation. I sadly have to pass on this occasion.