Next Summer Transfer Window Critical

[blue lewj]

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Bolton, Merthyr etc tried that.

They’re not exactly setting the world alight.

Not all academy players will make it no matter how much game time they have

This is it.

The success of going the academy product route is based purely on how good those products are.
Bad products coming through, bad performances, bad results.

I know that players need to be playing to learn and will make mistakes, it is whether they learn from those mistakes though and how long you give them in the team while making those mistakes.

If I knew the answers then I'd be employed somewhere else I'm sure.

[dembethewarrior]

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He's only played one season at league one level, where he's done well - prior to that he was in league 2.

We've brought him into a side that is already accommodating a few other players who are getting upto speed at this level.
They've had a look at him in a couple of games and probably have felt that we can't afford to bring him through at the same time. So to get championship level game time somewhere is better than warming the bench for us.
I'm sure that would have preferred that he'd immediately claimed a starting spot but as that hasn't happened this is a good outcome. Far better than him going back on loan to league one.

I guess it is difficult to judge how players will make the step up - some are excellent at league one, but struggle to make an impact in the Championship (i.e. Gavin Whyte)

:thumbup:

[surge]

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I agree that contract renewals and transfer window next summer are critical, though I disagree with your comments regarding effort of the players.

Think it's probably too early for this thread though and should be thought of more of a horse race (some taking early lead, some falling back) rather than it's current yes/no question.

At the moment there is a group of four in this season's starting XI who appear to be working themselves into a good position but a lot will depend on contract length, wage and minute demands; who we have ready to take their place; budget for next season; and what Mick wants going forward. For that reason the youth appearing the League Cup and over rest of the season will tell us a lot.

You should add Brown to the list who is on his one year option and needs agreement to extend if he'll be around next year. His status and development should be a factor as well.

[Citizen's Nephew]

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Tough one between Flint and Morrison, as they are both very good championship central defenders. I'd say Morrison is overall slightly better, but Flint has been better for us in a back 3 .
Flint will be 33 when it comes time to sign a new contract though, which possibly tilts it towards Morrison for me, as he's a couple of years younger.
We could offer Morrison a 2 year deal, but I'm not sure a 2 year deal for Flint would be a sensible move as he'd be 35 by the end of it.

I thought the same thing after I posted and for that reason, I agree it needs to be Morrison over Flint. I agree with WJ99Mobile that's it'll be a bloodbath next summer. It is a precarious season for Cardiff City (I don't mean in terms of relegation) but there's a perfect storm shaping up here for it to be really difficult to kick on for a few seasons. Actually, quite a few seasons. It just feels a bit meh and all the excitement since 17/18 seems to be petering out. Back to reality. I really think we need a couple of players to fire up the fans (and keep the attendances around the 20K mark) and nobody on that list will be able to do that.

[WJ99mobile]

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I thought the same thing after I posted and for that reason, I agree it needs to be Morrison over Flint. I agree with WJ99Mobile that's it'll be a bloodbath next summer. It is a precarious season for Cardiff City (I don't mean in terms of relegation) but there's a perfect storm shaping up here for it to be really difficult to kick on for a few seasons. Actually, quite a few seasons. It just feels a bit meh and all the excitement since 17/18 seems to be petering out. Back to reality. I really think we need a couple of players to fire up the fans (and keep the attendances around the 20K mark) and nobody on that list will be able to do that.

I do think we’re not going to be the only club in this situation mind

[Rjk]

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I do think we’re not going to be the only club in this situation mind

yes the gap between the teams with the parachute payments and those without seems massive now we are on the wrong side of it.
we need to be a lot better at a lot of things to be able to close that gap, but it is never too late to start making good decisions.

[surge]

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To look at it another way:

If we don't renew any of them our squad will be:

GK - Phillips

CB - Nelson, McGuiness (+ potentially some youth in Denham or Bakere, Could possibly convert Ng to be a ball playing RCB?)

LWB - Bagan (+ potentially Davies)

RWB - Ng, Sang (D'Almeida?)

CM - Wintle ( + potentially Bowen, D'almeida, Patten?)

AM / wing - Colwill, Bacuna , Whyte(+ Evans?)

CF - Moore, Collins, Harris, Watters

...

I've taken our Brown and Vassell with former already discussed (currently departing) and latter in last year of his deal too. Also removed Sang and Bacuna from CM conversation because Mick clearly doesn't fancy them in those positions.

I can see it being Morrison, Ralls and Pack staying but maintain it's far too early to say yes/no. A bad injury changes picture massively as does serious interest from another club willing to pay higher wages or a player getting back to their best.

But that doesn't rebuild the midfield?!? Problem has always been that the four of them are too similar in strengths and limitations and don't work well together, but if Mick has removed Bacuna from CM conversation and if Vaulks go (though he did better than Ralls last year and is presumably cheaper) then we'll just be down to two with plenty of squad space for alternatives.

[Citizen's Nephew]

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yes the gap between the teams with the parachute payments and those without seems massive now we are on the wrong side of it.
we need to be a lot better at a lot of things to be able to close that gap, but it is never too late to start making good decisions.

Yes, I like that mindset.

[Rjk]

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Yes, I like that mindset.

if only I could apply it to my personal life :hehe:

[Citizen's Nephew]

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I do think we’re not going to be the only club in this situation mind

Oh for sure. I just hope that Covid hasn't messed up things so much that the PL relegated sides become sure-things for going straight back up because 1. they've got the squads and 2. they've got the parachute payments whilst the rest of the league are struggling forever. The economics of Covid could have already rendered The Championship as a PL MkII. It won't be as competitive outside say, a top 6 clubs and will be very difficult and in most cases (just like the PL) to break through without the money people.

Trouble is, it's further complicated by the FA having no backbone when it comes to FFP regs. being applied fairly.

[Citizen's Nephew]

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if only I could apply it to my personal life :hehe:

:hehe:

[Rjk]

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Oh for sure. I just hope that Covid hasn't messed up things so much that the PL relegated sides become sure-things for going straight back up because 1. they've got the squads and 2. they've got the parachute payments whilst the rest of the league are struggling forever. The economics of Covid could have already rendered The Championship as a PL MkII. It won't be as competitive outside say, a top 6 clubs and will be very difficult and in most cases (just like the PL) to break through without the money people.

Trouble is, it's further complicated by the FA having no backbone when it comes to FFP regs. being applied fairly.

I think we are already there

[Citizen's Nephew]

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I think we are already there

I didn't want to say that but I did think it :-(

[Lawnmower]

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Yes, I like that mindset.

Morrison, Ralls, Flint, Pack are all starters with Vaulks as back up in midfield.

If they go they will all need replacing and some of those are top players at this level
Not as easy as it sounds and we would lose a lot of our goal threat.

Smithies is an excellent keeper, but you can’t have a back up in that money and Tomlin and Murphy will surely go, both are huge talents, but just haven’t done near enough.

[City123]

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Obviously too early to say, at the moment I'd keep Morrison, Ralls & maybe Pack. How many of Ralls, Pack & Vaulks stay will depend entirely on whether Wintle can kick on and if we're ready to give proper opportunities to Bowen, Sang or D'Almeida in their actual positions

I'd like to see us try Pack and Ng at centre back. We desperately need someone who can pass in that back 3 as well as bring the ball out of defence in order to progress up the pitch, they could do that