food prices to rise

[Citizen's Nephew]

Re: food prices to rise

I don't know how closely you read these, but there is a big disclaimer about wage growth in both of the links.

He doesn't read them and if he does he certainly doesn't understand them. Just a hyperlink junky.

[Citizen's Nephew]

Re: food prices to rise

Selfish. So because costs in your sector are up thats it?

You dont care that inflation is HIGHER in the EU?
You dont care that unemployment is falling?
You dont care that wages are rising?

What do you do for a living then we'll discuss. You don't get to deflect. Whataboutery is pathetic. What is your job and does Brexit make it easier or more difficult?

[JamesWales]

Re: food prices to rise

He doesn't read them and if he does he certainly doesn't understand them. Just a hyperlink junky.

I'm posting articles and raw data sourced from national statistics.

The fact that you cant see any benefit in workers wages rising or unemployment falling says it all.

You aren't.

[lardy]

Re: food prices to rise

So you take anecdotal and temporary information about food prices rising more than official statistics?

I'm talking about the links you sent.

One says that wage increase is because they are being compared to 12 months ago when many people were on furlough and receiving less than their full wage.

The other says that low paying jobs have been disappearing, which pushes the average up.

[JamesWales]

Re: food prices to rise

I'm talking about the links you sent.

One says that wage increase is because they are being compared to 12 months ago when many people were on furlough and receiving less than their full wage.

The other says that low paying jobs have been disappearing, which pushes the average up.

Wage rises have been consistently rising since early 2020.

The point is:

If you think food prices rising are only down to Brexit, you are wrong. Inflation is rising faster in the EU.

If you think Brexit has bought no economic benefits, you are wrong. There is ample evidence.

All of this is impossible to analysis properly through the lens of covid, but I am tired of people using anecdotal evidence against official data.

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/wage-growth

[Citizen's Nephew]

Re: food prices to rise

I'm posting articles and raw data sourced from national statistics.

The fact that you cant see any benefit in workers wages rising or unemployment falling says it all.

You aren't.

What do you do for a living? I'm willing to talk about real-life examples as opposed to trawling the internet for selective arguments. I'll discuss real-life issues here. You don't need to post any more links because I know how to use Google and can do all of that sh*t when I'm not on CCMB. I'm here right now. Feel free to answer my questions.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Re: food prices to rise

Wage rises have been consistently rising since early 2020.

The point is:

If you think food prices rising are only down to Brexit, you are wrong. Inflation is rising faster in the EU.

If you think Brexit has bought no economic benefits, you are wrong. There is ample evidence.


https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/wage-growth

Firstly, it took most of 2020 to get wage rises back to pre Covid levels, so to say we've had wage rises since early 2020 is more than misleading. It's also worth mentioning that wages in some sectors have been forced to rise because of a lack of migrant workers. Meanwhile, supermarkets have been proactive in trying to bear the brunt of massively rising costs but that much larger price rises are going to be inevitable.

[lardy]

Re: food prices to rise

Wage rises have been consistently rising since early 2020.

The point is:

If you think food prices rising are only down to Brexit, you are wrong. Inflation is rising faster in the EU.

If you think Brexit has bought no economic benefits, you are wrong. There is ample evidence.

All of this is impossible to analysis properly through the lens of covid, but I am tired of people using anecdotal evidence against official data.


https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/wage-growth

This is on the link you sent. It doesn't show wages rising since early 2020.

I'm a bit tired of you saying I'm using anecdotal evidence when all I've done is refer to your links!
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[JamesWales]

Re: food prices to rise

What do you do for a living? I'm willing to talk about real-life examples as opposed to trawling the internet for selective arguments. I'll discuss real-life issues here. You don't need to post any more links because I know how to use Google and can do all of that sh*t when I'm not on CCMB. I'm here right now. Feel free to answer my questions.

I'll private message you if you change your settings. No way am I entering a public slanging match when you don't seem open to listening.

We all have anecdotal evidence. Every policy every govt has ever made will impact positively on some and negatively on others. The point is to look at the collective evidence.

You have complained about price rises, but they are rising everywhere. If this was a UK only issue, then that wouldn't be happening.

Quite obviously, when Eurozone inflation is at a ten year high (as it is - https://www.euronews.com/2021/08/31/...a-10-year-high) then the issues about price rises are not solely, or even closely linked to the UK being outside the EU.

Talk calmly and I'll listen. Lecture me with anecdotal data and I wont, because I have friends who's wages are rising at the moment, and their anecdotal data counteracts yours. And they also don't insult me while they are at it.

[JamesWales]

Re: food prices to rise

This is on the link you sent. It doesn't show wages rising since early 2020.

I'm a bit tired of you saying I'm using anecdotal evidence when all I've done is refer to your links!
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Sorry, since mid 2020.

Anecdotal evidence isn't refering to you.

If you can provide concrete evidence in terms of unemplyoment, inflation, GDP, wages, house prices, investment any such data that shows the UK doing worse than the EU since leaving the EU then I'm listening.

The data just doesn't really exist. What there is shows no real impact, shows some improvements and/or is anecdotal.

And all of this is largely irrelevent because COVID is the greatest skewer of economic data since WW2.

The point is - people saying food prices are rising 'cos of brexit' are largely wrong, because inflations is higher in the EU.

[lardy]

Re: food prices to rise

So you take anecdotal and temporary information about food prices rising more than official statistics?

I'm glad you weren't referring to me when you quoted me with this reply

[JamesWales]

Re: food prices to rise

I'm glad you weren't referring to me when you quoted me with this reply

Ha, fair point! My error on that part.

[Citizen's Nephew]

Re: food prices to rise

I'll private message you if you change your settings. No way am I entering a public slanging match when you don't seem open to listening.

We all have anecdotal evidence. Every policy every govt has ever made will impact positively on some and negatively on others. The point is to look at the collective evidence.

You have complained about price rises, but they are rising everywhere. If this was a UK only issue, then that wouldn't be happening.

Quite obviously, when Eurozone inflation is at a ten year high (as it is - https://www.euronews.com/2021/08/31/...a-10-year-high) then the issues about price rises are not solely, or even closely linked to the UK being outside the EU.

Talk calmly and I'll listen. Lecture me with anecdotal data and I wont, because I have friends who's wages are rising at the moment, and their anecdotal data counteracts yours. And they also don't insult me while they are at it.

And another hyperlink. You can't stop yourself, can you? I did make it clear that civil discussion re. Brexit has got me absolutely nowhere since pre. 2016 so I've given up. I'm certainly not giving you access to PM me. I asked what you do for a living, you won't answer. You don't get to come on a public board, post, then want to slink off and have a private discussion when what you're doing is the easiest thing in the world. Googling and posting links.

Surely, and this is the last I'll say on this, talking to real people and listening to their concerns re. Brexit and it's effect in real-life situations is far more valuable than what you're doing?

You just parry with stuff you've searched for. You aren't listening, you're posting links. That's not discussion or argument.

Anyway. I can't be civil about Brexit anymore, but I can be civil as one person to another (pretending for a moment that this isn't about Brexit).

Of course, Covid has had a massive influence worldwide. That's going to take ages to recover from. Unfortunatley for the UK it happened right at the point we'd committed economical suicide.

That's me done. I wish you no harm, I hope you have a great day and live long and prosper.

[JamesWales]

Re: food prices to rise

And another hyperlink. You can't stop yourself, can you? I did make it clear that civil discussion re. Brexit has got me absolutely nowhere since pre. 2016 so I've given up. I'm certainly not giving you access to PM me. I asked what you do for a living, you won't answer. You don't get to come on a public board, post, then want to slink off and have a private discussion when what you're doing is the easiest thing in the world. Googling and posting links.

Surely, and this is the last I'll say on this, talking to real people and listening to their concerns re. Brexit and it's effect in real-life situations is far more valuable than what you're doing?

You just parry with stuff you've searched for. You aren't listening, you're posting links. That's not discussion or argument.

Anyway. I can't be civil about Brexit anymore, but I can be civil as one person to another (pretending for a moment that this isn't about Brexit).

Of course, Covid has had a massive influence worldwide. That's going to take ages to recover from. Unfortunatley for the UK it happened right at the point we'd committed economical suicide.

That's me done. I wish you no harm, I hope you have a great day and live long and prosper.

Jesus Christ! Posting hyperlinks is how you post evidence in an online forum.

You are saying Brexit is raising prices.

I am saying that price rises are happening everywhere, and faster in Europe, and posting links to data that evidences my point. I can describe in prose how price rises are rising in the eurozone if you like, but it's not as sensible as providing a link.

You aren't evidencing your point and you are being abusive with it.

That says a lot to me.

Take care and all the best.