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What did they 'get'?

A kicking

Young men

Not Bush and Blair

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we know that al qaeda had training camps in Afghanistan, that's no secret, the Shorbak area ( on the Pakistan border ) had a massive training camp, the size of a Village with different compounds teaching different activities

should the " Civilised World " have ignored them and just prayed that your own country was not subject to a terror attack. ?? ? ? then when your country was attacked and innocent lives lost we could have held a inquest into how " Mr Terrorist " travelled to Pakistan, then onwards to Afghanistan and attended a terror school for 3 months

we all know we had to do something about the issue back then

The answer to the question .......what would you have done ......was clearly not invade Iraq and Afghanistan!

It's a complete disaster , young soldiers have died for nothing and terrorists still operate

Utter waste of lives

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Those marches are pointless in my opinion it's a shame the same people don't use their energy to march to raise awareness in helping ex servicemen.
As for what your saying above i've witnessed and experienced enough to not get into debate on that subject.
The Sudge emailing the club was just a joke 🙄

If a government launches an illegal war in another country then I think protesting about it is the right thing to do

Those of us that marched wanted the servicemen prevented from going to Iraq and Afghanistan in the first place , we wanted them here , not sent home in body bags or with their legs blown off . There wouldn't be a need for help the heroes to raise so much money if that stupid war hadn't have injured so many young men

If you think that's pointless and those marches are a waste of time because they didn't stop the illegal war then that's fine but you have to stand up for what you believe in

[stan butler]

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If a government launches an illegal war in another country then I think protesting about it is the right thing to do

Those of us that marched wanted the servicemen prevented from going to Iraq and Afghanistan in the first place , we wanted them here , not sent home in body bags or with their legs blown off . There wouldn't be a need for help the heroes to raise so much money if that stupid war hadn't have injured so many young men

If you think that's pointless and those marches are a waste of time because they didn't stop the illegal war then that's fine but you have to stand up for what you believe in

The anti war protesting did nothing to change what the goverment decided.
Sadly they didn't give two hoots about the marches nor the soldiers that were deployed.
If people think that war is over i think they will be surprised.
The US in in opinion are waiting for certain things to unfold before using a new already planned strategy out there..

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The anti war protesting did nothing to change what the goverment decided.
Sadly they didn't give two hoots about the marches nor the soldiers that were deployed.
If people think that war is over i think they will be surprised.
The US in in opinion are waiting for certain things to unfold before using a new already planned strategy out there..

If Britain is dumb enough to try and join America in another assault then people will protest again , this time in even bigger numbers . People will now know what a complete waste of time the invasion was and I would be very surprised if the protests fell on deaf ears.

If I was a soldier and it was announced we were invading the middle east I would look for another job . Its great that we have people who are brave enough to join the army and protect our country but this would be another bloodbath .

Utter madness

[blue matt]

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The answer to the question .......what would you have done ......was clearly not invade Iraq and Afghanistan!

It's a complete disaster , young soldiers have died for nothing and terrorists still operate

Utter waste of lives

How many would have died in terror attacks if we had left the camps alone and given them a free pass to run these camps ? ? ?

the option to ignore the situation was never really on the table

unless of course you think these camps didn't exist and was all just a Lie

[stan butler]

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If Britain is dumb enough to try and join America in another assault then people will protest again , this time in even bigger numbers . People will now know what a complete waste of time the invasion was and I would be very surprised if the protests fell on deaf ears.

If I was a soldier and it was announced we were invading the middle east I would look for another job . Its great that we have people who are brave enough to join the army and protect our country but this would be another bloodbath .

Utter madness

You can't just decide i'm not going there if that's where your sent that's where you will go.
You can't give them a note off your mam or dad asking not to be sent to nasty countries due to you being up all night with an upset tummy

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How many would have died in terror attacks if we had left the camps alone and given them a free pass to run these camps ? ? ?

the option to ignore the situation was never really on the table

unless of course you think these camps didn't exist and was all just a Lie

I think most of the Bush Blair attack following 911 was based on a load of lies ......don't you ?

Don't tell me you believe there were weapons of mass destruction and saddam was a major player in the terror stakes ?

How long do you think it will take to destroy any new terror camps and do you honestly believe that the west is telling the truth about them and the ones they said they found and destroyed ?

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You can't just decide i'm not going there if that's where your sent that's where you will go.
You can't give them a note off your mam or dad asking not to be sent to nasty countries due to you being up all night with an upset tummy

I know that but I would look to people to solve problems rather than send young men to their deaths

If we have another conflict as you predict then more young men who joined the army to travel the world , help people , gain friendships etc are going to be slaughtered

It doesn't seem to be working

Why is it its British lads who are sent in under the shield of America to die ?

Why don't we keep out of this ?

We are not the worlds policeman anymore

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I don't know how comfortable I am with being non-interventionist. It appears to have become the default position of the left but my view is that we should try to something to help people who are effectively held prisoner in a system that doesn't accept them. Whatever the true purpose of the war in Afghanistan, the withdrawal will cause the population of that country to have a shittier life. If I see someone in the street getting a crap deal, I stick up for them, I don't really see how this is any different.

[blue matt]

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I think most of the Bush Blair attack following 911 was based on a load of lies ......don't you ?

Don't tell me you believe there were weapons of mass destruction and saddam was a major player in the terror stakes ?

How long do you think it will take to destroy any new terror camps and do you honestly believe that the west is telling the truth about them and the ones they said they found and destroyed ?

Not sure about Lie's about Afghanistan which is what I am discussing

Do I Believe al qaeda had training camps in Afghanistan ? ? ? ? Yes I do, A friend of mine ( the ex-royal Marine ( and his young afghan friend ) who was working for the British embassy have chatted to me about them and said they were not a secret, they were very well known ) , I believe them and really don't think they are part of some government conspiracy

Did Iraq have WMD, yes of course they did, the Halabja massacre of the Kurds point to that, Sarin, Mustard gas and cyanide was used ( from memory ) lets not paint Saddam and his regime as innocent in the use of nerve agents against the Kurds, do I think he was a major player in terror stakes, not to us, I suspect the Kurds might say he was

I Guess drone strikes will keep the camps from running openly, but of course that will not go down well with some
By all accounts the camps were Bulldozed, not sure why they would lie about that ? ? ?

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Not sure about Lie's about Afghanistan which is what I am discussing

Do I Believe al qaeda had training camps in Afghanistan ? ? ? ? Yes I do, A friend of mine ( the ex-royal Marine ( and his young afghan friend ) who was working for the British embassy have chatted to me about them and said they were not a secret, they were very well known ) , I believe them and really don't think they are part of some government conspiracy

Did Iraq have WMD, yes of course they did, the Halabja massacre of the Kurds point to that, Sarin, Mustard gas and cyanide was used ( from memory ) lets not paint Saddam and his regime as innocent in the use of nerve agents against the Kurds, do I think he was a major player in terror stakes, not to us, I suspect the Kurds might say he was

I Guess drone strikes will keep the camps from running openly, but of course that will not go down well with some
By all accounts the camps were Bulldozed, not sure why they would lie about that ? ? ?

Blair and Bush told us Saddam had weapons of mass destruction primed and ready to go

That's been found out to be totally false

I don't believe anything that comes out of the USA and UK on those regions apart from the taliban are savages

[the other bob wilson]

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Watched the programme and didn’t think as much of it as some do. It came across as self justifying by Bush who had an unfortunate habit of seeming to find the whole thing a little funny at times. It also didn’t really tell the whole story did it in view of recent developments- there was a faint air of triumphalism at the end that was inappropriate.

The withdrawal of allied troops amounts to the worst of all worlds really. If you weren’t in favour of the invasion originally then it’s come far too late and, if you were, you’re left feeling why the allies didn’t see things through and, surely, you have to question whether the whole thing was worth it as it seems to me that the Taliban are back and stronger than they were in the nineties.

My feelings are on the anti intervention side with one of the reasons for that being that the intervention always seems very selective in terms of the size, power and military strength of the country to be “intervened” in. However, the Soviet experience in Afghanistan offered evidence that there was some under estimating in the nineties as to what the allies were getting themselves into.

Trying to be as impartial as possible, I find it very hard to come up with a defence of how things have turned out or of the original intervention.

[the other bob wilson]

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I wonder what the contributors of this thread would have done in the aftermath of 9/11 if they were Bush or Blair ???

The Allies were in Afghanistan before 9/11.

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Watched the programme and didn’t think as much of it as some do. It came across as self justifying by Bush who had an unfortunate habit of seeming to find the whole thing a little funny at times. It also didn’t really tell the whole story did it in view of recent developments- there was a faint air of triumphalism at the end that was inappropriate.

The withdrawal of allied troops amounts to the worst of all worlds really. If you weren’t in favour of the invasion originally then it’s come far too late and, if you were, you’re left feeling why the allies didn’t see things through and, surely, you have to question whether the whole thing was worth it as it seems to me that the Taliban are back and stronger than they were in the nineties.

My feelings are on the anti intervention side with one of the reasons for that being that the intervention always seems very selective in terms of the size, power and military strength of the country to be “intervened” in. However, the Soviet experience in Afghanistan offered evidence that there was some under estimating in the nineties as to what the allies were getting themselves into.

Trying to be as impartial as possible, I find it very hard to come up with a defence of how things have turned out or of the original intervention.

Bush seemed to think the fact that no other attack, or major one, had occurred since on USA soil seemed to justify his invasions of Afghanistan. I guess that’s debatable…