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  • Re: The Bluebirds Academy and DVP thread...

    Originally posted by Loramski View Post
    The size thing has been a recurring theme in this thread and it's going to be an issue again with some of our lads if they don't have a growth spurt soon. George looks like a quality player but there's nothing of him, Twose, Barton, Beecher and Thomas the same. Mafico looks a bit stockier but is short too. Lads like James Waite and Kieron Evans before them. It's not the be all and end all but I don't get how so many of our Academy lads are vertically challenged. Is it a South Wales thing? Surely the area has produced plenty of rugby players over the years?
    I remember when Russell Osman became manager he told the Youth Development officer (who doubled up as Youth team coach) at the time "I don't want you to just have teams of 6 footers". This was a bit of a problem as the Youth teams best players at the time were Scott Young, Lee Jarman and Simon Haworth. It was an unfair request because we were in the fourth division and all the best technical footballers (Bellamy, Jeanne, Calliste etc) would have been pinched by the Premier teams. It was quite a result when we retained Christian Roberts and Cadette.The lower division teams were normally picking up late developers, the big six footers - Anthony Evans at 17 from Aberystwyth Town.

    Everyone develops physically at differing ages. Twose is not short, but a couple of years ago was like a stick insect. He had undoubted talent. He's now 18 and starting to put a bit of muscle on. In fairness to the club they appear to be very patient with the academy players developments. Eli King is the opposite physically and thus was used by the 1st much earlier in his development. The criticism of King (by Bulut) is that he doesn't use his physique to his advantage (unlike a young Dwyer, Ramsay, Ledley or Scott Young.). It was about the only thing I'd agree with Bulut on.

    Look at Tom Davies he's shortly to be 21 but has been kept on for 3 seasons beyond scholarship due to his athleticism (and a wand of a left foot). It was interesting that he played a centre back for the U21s and Giles played at left back. I wonder if this is to improve his defensive awareness/reactions. He is a real talent but appears to be 'dopey' defensively.

    We just need a manager to have the confidence to integrate them into the first team more quickly and positively. The non use of Ashford recently is a mystery. Easy with hindsight, but he could not have contributed less than El Gahzi and Willock did on Tuesday.

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    • Re: The Bluebirds Academy and DVP thread...

      It is often noticeable how much bigger opposing u21 teams are, as Ipswich were the other day.
      Maybe we need to take inspiration from the Barcelona side that used to include Messi, Iniesta and Xavi, all of them 5ft 7.

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      • Re: The Bluebirds Academy and DVP thread...

        Size never held Barry Bannan back and shouldn't for any of our youngsters if they play in midfield or attack and are good enough. It's often the little guys who caused us the most problems

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        • Re: The Bluebirds Academy and DVP thread...

          Originally posted by Undercoverinwurzelland View Post
          It is often noticeable how much bigger opposing u21 teams are, as Ipswich were the other day.
          Maybe we need to take inspiration from the Barcelona side that used to include Messi, Iniesta and Xavi, all of them 5ft 7.
          Ipswich always seem to have had a big side, I can remember the same being said a few years ago.

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          • Re: The Bluebirds Academy and DVP thread...

            Originally posted by PontBlue View Post
            Size never held Barry Bannan back and shouldn't for any of our youngsters if they play in midfield or attack and are good enough. It's often the little guys who caused us the most problems
            Shorter players in the modern game especially tend to have to develop other skills to succeed in the game. One of our faults over recent years is that we’ve got the balance between the physical, imposing players you need at this level and the more technical, skilful and creative ones wrong - if we need to include some smaller players to get the balance right, I’m fine with that.

            Regarding Twose, maybe the ref on Tuesday was tiny, but I remember seeing Twose talking to him and thinking he can’t be as short as I thought he was because he looked an inch or so taller than him.

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            • Re: The Bluebirds Academy and DVP thread...

              Originally posted by PontBlue View Post
              Size never held Barry Bannan back and shouldn't for any of our youngsters if they play in midfield or attack and are good enough. It's often the little guys who caused us the most problems
              That's hard to say about Bannan, who knows how his career would've panned out if he'd been a bit taller. As it was, he played his last Premier League game at 25 and his last international at 27. I agree it doesn't mean you can't make it if you're small but it makes it more challenging. I don't believe James Waite would be playing for Weston-Super-Mare now if he'd had a growth spurt somewhere along the way.

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              • Re: The Bluebirds Academy and DVP thread...

                Originally posted by Undercoverinwurzelland View Post
                It is often noticeable how much bigger opposing u21 teams are, as Ipswich were the other day.
                Maybe we need to take inspiration from the Barcelona side that used to include Messi, Iniesta and Xavi, all of them 5ft 7.
                I looked up Ipswich's centre half (number 4) from Tuesday. He was very tall, and very good from what I saw, and I was half expecting him to be an over-age player but he's a Lithuanian who's just turned 18. If he said he'd had one or two of our players in his pocket during the game I wouldn't know if he meant it literally or metaphorically.

                I saw you mention Reindorf's chip somewhere else but I'm not sure if the highlights of that game have been put up yet. Here they are anyway.

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                • Re: The Bluebirds Academy and DVP thread...

                  Originally posted by Loramski View Post
                  I looked up Ipswich's centre half (number 4) from Tuesday. He was very tall, and very good from what I saw, and I was half expecting him to be an over-age player but he's a Lithuanian who's just turned 18. If he said he'd had one or two of our players in his pocket during the game I wouldn't know if he meant it literally or metaphorically.

                  I saw you mention Reindorf's chip somewhere else but I'm not sure if the highlights of that game have been put up yet. Here they are anyway.

                  https://www.cardiffcityfc.co.uk/vide...9-448cbd09a9e5
                  He was huge - he towered over the ref!

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                  • Re: The Bluebirds Academy and DVP thread...

                    Some live Saturday afternoon football to watch, it’s also being streamed on the usual You Tube channel.

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                    • Re: The Bluebirds Academy and DVP thread...

                      Kpakio, Giles, Ashford and Reindorf all in the starting eleven today, so I can’t see any of them featuring tomorrow.

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                      • Re: The Bluebirds Academy and DVP thread...

                        Originally posted by the other bob wilson View Post
                        Some live Saturday afternoon football to watch, it’s also being streamed on the usual You Tube channel.

                        https://www.cardiffcityfc.co.uk/news...rlton-athletic
                        Cheers Bob, didn't know this one was on. Although I also only realised the first team weren't playing today a couple of hours ago.

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                        • Re: The Bluebirds Academy and DVP thread...

                          Originally posted by the other bob wilson View Post
                          Kpakio, Giles, Ashford and Reindorf all in the starting eleven today, so I can’t see any of them featuring tomorrow.
                          This news is a bit disheartening, no, not a bit, a lot.

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                          • Re: The Bluebirds Academy and DVP thread...

                            0-0 at half time, but an enjoyable match that could go either way - George and Reindorf have hit the crossbar for City.

                            Ashford has reacted well to being left out of the senior squad and is looking too good for this level.

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                            • Re: The Bluebirds Academy and DVP thread...

                              Originally posted by the other bob wilson View Post
                              Kpakio, Giles, Ashford and Reindorf all in the starting eleven today, so I can’t see any of them featuring tomorrow.
                              FFS!!!!!

                              Crazy.

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                              • Re: The Bluebirds Academy and DVP thread...

                                Great finish by Barton, 2 goals for the 17 year old in two games now.

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