All decisions are made by Tan

[blue lewj]

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I'm not suggesting burning the place down.

It is just that it is a bit odd slating the manager time and again without looking at the people who pick the manager.

[2b2bdoo]

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Of course it's down to him and those he employees. Owners rarely get it right all the time if ever. You only have to look at other foreign owners who promise the world and offer nothing, wasn't it forest not so long ago.

Tan keeps us afloat, I think he's been a great owner with some obvious glaring mistakes but that's still better than a lot of owners.

[pomeroy]

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Almost every aspect of the club is overseen by Tan or employees that have been put in place by Tan.

He has been in place over a decade and has picked the following managers to take this club forward - Malky, Ole, Slade, Trollope, Warnock, Harris, McCarthy.

Whether you agree with them or not he picked them.
For me it is rich to pick a man and then be unhappy with spending and signings that you have signed off.

Tan picks the board, the manager, the people in charge of the academy, the tea lady if he chooses. He oversees everything and can change what he likes when he likes, even the kit.
If the board he picks have picked the wrong manager then that is on him. If they release funds for a signing for a manager that they have picked then sorry that again is the fault of the owner.

We can argue the toss about the latest manager who has been installed to be shot at all we like but unless Tan changes his thinking on the way the rest of the club works then he will continue to make the same errors again and again. Just changing one man over and over will see very little change long term.

You can't bask in the glory of the right decisions you make and then put on the naive act when things go wrong. You either have that footballing knowledge or admit you do not and employ somebody that does.

For me, as a club we are going around in circles. Let's say we made the play offs and miraculously got promoted this season, does anybody here think the people in charge here above the manager would have any clue how to keep us up?

Cardiff City at the moment is like groundhog day.
Pick a manager, give him money/or not based on a manager stinging you previously (a manager you picked and signings you agreed to). Hope for success and if it doesn't work sack him and change the manager while keeping almost everything else constant.

Tan dictates almost all aspects of the club and it is Tan who should be held accountable. Slating the latest manager in charge isn't going to change anything because the decision makers here aren't doing anything differently and won't be doing any time soon it seems.

How do you know all this? For many years the “insiders” on the other board have been made to look foolish by purporting to know the inner workings of the coterie of an ethnic Chinese billionaire whose business empire is as secretive as the cash takings at a Shanghai brothel. Get real. Without Tan it’s more than likely that Cardiff City would be playing in the Vanarama National League!!

[blue lewj]

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How do you know all this? For many years the “insiders” on the other board have been made to look foolish by purporting to know the inner workings of the coterie of an ethnic Chinese billionaire whose business empire is as secretive as the cash takings at a Shanghai brothel. Get real. Without Tan it’s more than likely that Cardiff City would be playing in the Vanarama National League!!

Are you honestly saying our owner does not decide who he employs or choose who makes decisions at the club if he does not make them himself?

[Bruce Foxton]

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I remember reading some time ago that Tan treats the football clubs he owns as just another part of his business empire, and when he employs a manager, he just sees them as another "department manager". It would stand to reason that this being the case, he just wants somebody to run that department day to day and not go a bit leftfield and employ someone who is going to try and impose playing styles, philosophies etc.

[blue lewj]

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I remember reading some time ago that Tan treats the football clubs he owns as just another part of his business empire, and when he employs a manager, he just sees them as another "department manager". It would stand to reason that this being the case, he just wants somebody to run that department day to day and not go a bit leftfield and employ someone who is going to try and impose playing styles, philosophies etc.

That certainly makes sense given what has happened here.

Leftfield, in this case though, is exactly what we need.

[Undercoverinwurzelland]

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For me the issue is who Tan lets run his club day in day out. I can't see that he'd appoint directors with no background in property/hotels/gambling etc to head up his other businesses, so why is a football club different.
He's pumped a hell of a lot of money into the club, that's for sure, but way too much has been wasted. A director of football and a chairman with a football background would make a huge difference, both on and off the pitch.

[blue lewj]

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For me the issue is who Tan lets run his club day in day out. I can't see that he'd appoint directors with no background in property/hotels/gambling etc to head up his other businesses, so why is a football club different.
He's pumped a hell of a lot of money into the club, that's for sure, but way too much has been wasted. A director of football and a chairman with a football background would make a huge difference, both on and off the pitch.

Exactly this.

I can't help thinking that his stubbornness in not admitting his mistakes in who he employs to run the club is costing him a lot more than it necessarily should.

[stan butler]

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How do you know all this? For many years the “insiders” on the other board have been made to look foolish by purporting to know the inner workings of the coterie of an ethnic Chinese billionaire whose business empire is as secretive as the cash takings at a Shanghai brothel. Get real. Without Tan it’s more than likely that Cardiff City would be playing in the Vanarama National League!!

Probably is an insider from the other board

Tan is not a perfect owner but atleast we haven't been looking over our shoulders regarding the Hmrc which we had to during previous owners reign.
It could be a lot better but it could be an hell of a lot worse.
I believe we are in safe hands so i just worry and moan about on the field problems..

[The Lone Gunman]

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Without Tan it’s more than likely that Cardiff City would be playing in the Vanarama National League!!

Hear hear! After all, Vincent Tan is the only person in the world who is wealthy enough to back a Championship football club. Except for all of the other equally wealthy people. Or the people who are more wealthy than him. Or people who have less material wealth but are better at running football clubs.

[life on mars]

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I don't think he selected the shit over priced drinks and food they sell

[The Lone Gunman]

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I believe we are in safe hands so i just worry and moan about on the field problems..

Come on Stockholm, let's be honest here - you mostly moan about people who use another message board.

[life on mars]

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Hear hear! After all, Vincent Tan is the only person in the world who is wealthy enough to back a Championship football club. Except for all of the other equally wealthy people. Or the people who are more wealthy than him. Or people who have less material wealth but are better at running football clubs.

He has more loyalty to the City than a lot of folk living in Cardiff .

[blue lewj]

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I don't think he selected the shit over priced drinks and food they sell

Deal was agreed with a catering company by the club and overseen by Tan or the people Tan employed so yes, directly or indirectly it was Tan.

[stan butler]

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Come on Stockholm, let's be honest here - you mostly moan about people who use another message board.

Oh yes if hypocritical..
I was going to post my agreement on your post above but now you can sod of Sugar.
Love Stockholm