NML. Still without a club?

[blue lewj]

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I think everyone is aware we've made mistakes, but we do seem to be doing things differently for the time being at least.
A director of football might improve things, or if we appoint the wrong one could be a disaster. Christ there were even people on here hoping that Warnock would be "moved upstairs" not too long ago.
There are many different kinds of footballing directors, with completely different remits - what's important is someone is looking out for the longer term interests of the club in footbll terms, rather than the manager who will understandably always be short term thinking due to the precarious nature of their job.
MM being seemingly overruled on Marley Watkins would seem to suggest an element of that is already happening.

Or maybe loaning out a midfielder that could and should be in the team and Marley Watkins being rejected points to us having zero money to spend and that we are saving what we can.

For me the DOF issue is a simple one. Do I think they would do a better job at identifying possible signings, negotiating contracts and knowing what direction the club should be going in than the people we have there currently. I have no doubt that they would.

If anything it is quite scary that the Watkins deal was overruled as it shows that the manager has very little say on this. He wouldn't have broken the bank in Championship financial terms, yet was rejected.
I also don't think Mick would be picking as many academy players if he wasn't specifically told to from above. When a manager can't put his stamp on the team because other people have other ideas then that is when cracks start to appear.

[sneggyblubird]

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Back on the subject of NML my guess is he's still got a problem so no-one would touch him with a barge pole under those circumstances.I always wondered why he blew so hot and cold and that would account for it.

[Rjk]

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Or maybe loaning out a midfielder that could and should be in the team and Marley Watkins being rejected points to us having zero money to spend and that we are saving what we can.

For me the DOF issue is a simple one. Do I think they would do a better job at identifying possible signings, negotiating contracts and knowing what direction the club should be going in than the people we have there currently. I have no doubt that they would.

If anything it is quite scary that the Watkins deal was overruled as it shows that the manager has very little say on this. He wouldn't have broken the bank in Championship financial terms, yet was rejected.
I also don't think Mick would be picking as many academy players if he wasn't specifically told to from above. When a manager can't put his stamp on the team because other people have other ideas then that is when cracks start to appear.

so you want a director of football, bit you also think the manager should have a free hand to bring in whatever players he wants?
I'm not sure you've thought this through.

[surge]

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Out of interest what do you think should happen next in an ideal world?

Looking at the players we've recently brought in (transfers or academy) and players we've let go (sales or not renewing deals) it looks like we have somewhat turned a corner - there is more football know how here than previously though obviously this can go further.

Academy reportedly is playing more like first team while still a more attractive version.

However, I wonder if Tan is ready to trust a younger manager having had bad experiences with past choices and I wonder if that trust is more likely if younger person has an older head next to him or someone Tan is familiar with and likes?

In order to change the style within the 90 minutes we probably (not definitely) need a different manager and in order to keep fans coming back next year we probably need to send them a signal towards end of the year/in the summer.

We probably don't have funds to buy Mick out and hire new manager and fund new signing. That means doing something bold away from dugout without completely changing what we have been doing for past 2 years...

My ideal next step is to see if we can get.the Norwich City DoF to leave them and come here on the basis that:

I) it sends a more obvious signal that things have changed to keep interest up,

ii) it helps build that relationship with Tan a year early so younger manager can come in and continue to take us from Jackett's Wolves to Nuno's

iii) it's not completely unrealistic on basis that Norwich might want to change and he might want to change if they're relegated again and we're not a million miles from where Norwich were when he arrived. If we can sell us as a better prospect on basis of bigger stadium and perhaps Tan being willing to spend a bit more in the future than Norwich can then it might be possible.

We're already evolving but perhaps need to make it more obvious and perhaps need to be willing to go a bit further than previously planned.

[blue lewj]

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I totally agree that this is something that we should do.

Sadly, if we were looking at anybody in the Norwich area we would probably be more likely to bring on board the CEO of Colman's than the Norwich City DOF.

[surge]

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Just to add, we have a fairly strong connection with Wolves already since Mick came in and Norwich DoF spent a couple of years at Wolves - admittedly the two years directly after Mick left - which might make Mick happier living with a DoF for the year.

[Rjk]

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Looking at the players we've recently brought in (transfers or academy) and players we've let go (sales or not renewing deals) it looks like we have somewhat turned a corner - there is more football know how here than previously though obviously this can go further.

Academy reportedly is playing more like first team while still a more attractive version.

However, I wonder if Tan is ready to trust a younger manager having had bad experiences with past choices and I wonder if that trust is more likely if younger person has an older head next to him or someone Tan is familiar with and likes?

In order to change the style within the 90 minutes we probably (not definitely) need a different manager and in order to keep fans coming back next year we probably need to send them a signal towards end of the year/in the summer.

We probably don't have funds to buy Mick out and hire new manager and fund new signing. That means doing something bold away from dugout without completely changing what we have been doing for past 2 years...

My ideal next step is to see if we can get.the Norwich City DoF to leave them and come here on the basis that:

I) it sends a more obvious signal that things have changed to keep interest up,

ii) it helps build that relationship with Tan a year early so younger manager can come in and continue to take us from Jackett's Wolves to Nuno's

iii) it's not completely unrealistic on basis that Norwich might want to change and he might want to change if they're relegated again and we're not a million miles from where Norwich were when he arrived. If we can sell us as a better prospect on basis of bigger stadium and perhaps Tan being willing to spend a bit more in the future than Norwich can then it might be possible.

We're already evolving but perhaps need to make it more obvious and perhaps need to be willing to go a bit further than previously planned.

I very much doubt he'll be leaving Norwich to come here. he seems highly rated and even if Norwich go straight back down they are in a better position than us.

[surge]

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I very much doubt he'll be leaving Norwich to come here. he seems highly rated and even if Norwich go straight back down they are in a better position than us.

It would take a lot of things going for us but wouldn't you agree that Norwich will want to change something if they get relegated again?

Of course, DoF is meant to provide stability despite what happens on the pitch so is the least likely thing they change. For that reason I would say it's very unrealistic and would take him wanting to leave as well.

I think it answers "in an ideal world' without saying something completely unrealistic though.

[blue lewj]

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Lewj wanted us to sign Harry Arter. Now Wintle is suddenly the next Pirlo and our youngsters are not up to it.

Well im backing our youngsters to succeed. Few old heads out in the summer and the rebuild continues.

Says the bloke who is more than happy with 3 shots on target in 180 minutes plus extra time. Nice one 😄

Then again you did say survival is success so if you set the bar low enough then anybody can achieve success I suppose.

[dembethewarrior]

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Mendez-Laing down the left side was a monster. He had a blistering start to that season partly due to that and we rarely saw him in that position again. Baffling.

It was good viewing. That kind of thing would have kept my daughter interested, instead we all know what happened after that.