M25 Blocked in Both Directions

[Citizen's Nephew]

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Bore off tree hugger. Next week you and the follow like sheep turds will be protesting about something else..
Any protesters that are arrested or identified and are claiming should have any benefits or student money stopped and told find a job..

Wow! Seems like it’s not just the trees that need a hug.

[stan butler]

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Wow! Seems like it’s not just the trees that need a hug.

You won't be hugging me ya soap dodging pest

[Citizen's Nephew]

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Ghandi and Mandela were fighting against undemocratic governments; in Mandelas case against a racist government who kept people as second class citizens.

Martin Luther King was protesting against a system that treated people differently because of their race.

To compare that to Tarquin, Esme and Talulah blocking the M4 because of their radical beliefs in respect of climate change (when our country has made substantial positive moves in recent years and is far far better at this than others) is narcissistic and unreasonable.

Climate change is a critical topic, but you have to take people with you. This kind of action may work well with the Socialist Worker crowd, but in the real world it pisses people off, causes great disruption and turns people against the cause.

Personally I think the principle of properly insulating homes is absolutely critical; it helps us use less energy and theoretically saves consumers money too.

The issue is the way they go about it in a selfish way and also the way they ignore the progress made.

As stated; if they want to make a big difference then argue against imports from China, protest at the Chinese or Indian embasssy, support a home-grown agricultural sectors.

There is loads to do without f*****g over ordinary folk trying to live their lives.

You post all that and you probably think protesters have too much time on their hands! What do you do for a living again?

[Citizen's Nephew]

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You won't be hugging me ya soap dodging pest

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Bore off tree hugger. Next week you and the follow like sheep turds will be protesting about something else..
Any protesters that are arrested or identified and are claiming should have any benefits or student money stopped and told find a job..

Do you think the majority of people would be pro or against this protest?

[life on mars]

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Lets hope there are cars or emergencies vehicles effected and someone dies as a consequence , anyone would think we'd done nothing on climate we are 17th in the world for CO2 Emissions by Country well better than a lot including all singing and dancing Germany .

https://www.worldometers.info/co2-emissions/co2-emissions-by-country/

[JamesWales]

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You post all that and you probably think protesters have too much time on their hands! What do you do for a living again?

It only took a couple of minutes, but I was responding to your points.

Complex issues need more than a few lines - that's twitter's problem, and probably a reason so many people with radical and unreasonable views garner a lot of their views from twitter.

[Citizen's Nephew]

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Lets hope there are cars or emergencies vehicles effected and someone dies as a consequence , anyone would think we'd done nothing on climate we are 17th in the world for CO2 Emissions by Country well better than a lot including all singing and dancing Germany .

https://www.worldometers.info/co2-em...ns-by-country/

Come on LOM….and I’m the extremist!?!

[life on mars]

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Come on LOM….and I’m the extremist!?!

One woman suffered a stroke , and another was due to have a child , others had real important appointments lots had children and old folk trapped in their cars all good I guess .

I would suggest the argument is won in the UK on global warning, time for this lot to man up and bugger off to China , India , Russia , USA the real polluters or is it case were too soft on protesters and they know it .

[Citizen's Nephew]

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One woman suffered a stroke , and another was due to have a child , all good I guess

Come on, you're better than this. The woman suffering a stroke was going to anyway. The woman due a child was risking it going on the M25 in the first place. The M25 is the dog's breath of a motorway and is to be avoided at all costs. I've literally lost days of my life stuck on the M25 over my lifetime. Idiots driving like idiots cause more death and carnage than a few misguided but well-intentioned protesters.

FWIW I think these kinds of protests are doing more harm than good but I weighed in yesterday because of the cynical language and attitudes of many e.g. tree-huggers, narcissists, scum etc. which is just playing into the divide and conquer tactics of the media and governments who want to demonise environmental protesters.

Sometimes things are so important that it takes radical action to initiate change. This has been true throughout history, hence my references to some of the biggest protesters and movements who were also demonised by the establishments of the time.

It's the cynism that I can't abide. I have no problem with discussion and suggesting different ways of doing things but I can't stand the cheap shots or the flag-waving, patriots who think being 17th in some meaningless table of meaningless data actually has any meaning at all.

So yeah, I'll fight their corner when they're being ganged up on by a bunch of cynics. Sometimes I do it because I truly believe in the cause, and sometimes I do it because I don't like the name-calling.

[JamesWales]

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Come on, you're better than this. The woman suffering a stroke was going to anyway. The woman due a child was risking it going on the M25 in the first place. The M25 is the dog's breath of a motorway and is to be avoided at all costs. I've literally lost days of my life stuck on the M25 over my lifetime. Idiots driving like idiots cause more death and carnage than a few misguided but well-intentioned protesters.

FWIW I think these kinds of protests are doing more harm than good but I weighed in yesterday because of the cynical language and attitudes of many e.g. tree-huggers, narcissists, scum etc. which is just playing into the divide and conquer tactics of the media and governments who want to demonise environmental protesters.

Sometimes things are so important that it takes radical action to initiate change. This has been true throughout history, hence my references to some of the biggest protesters and movements who were also demonised by the establishments of the time.

It's the cynism that I can't abide. I have no problem with discussion and suggesting different ways of doing things but I can't stand the cheap shots or the flag-waving, patriots who think being 17th in some meaningless table of meaningless data actually has any meaning at all.

So yeah, I'll fight their corner when they're being ganged up on by a bunch of cynics. Sometimes I do it because I truly believe in the cause, and sometimes I do it because I don't like the name-calling.

This is a reasonable post.

The overwhelming majority support the right to protest and the significant majority support the need to do something about Climate change.

It's the way they go about it thats the issue and I think they will soon recognise this is no way to win public support, which is critical.

[delmbox]

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Come on, you're better than this.

I can't think of a single thing in his 19000+ posts that would give you reason to think this is true

[Citizen's Nephew]

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This is a reasonable post.

The overwhelming majority support the right to protest and the significant majority support the need to do something about Climate change.

It's the way they go about it thats the issue and I think they will soon recognise this is no way to win public support, which is critical.

Cheers, and I guess another concern I have is the general attitude that the government is encouraging (and acting out through legislation) is that protesting is some kind of subversive act. This is very dangerous in what is supposed to be a democracy and could well create the complete opposite of what they are hoping to achieve i.e. the very extreme subversive tactics they want to avoid.

It's too easy to think that environmental protesting is confined to things like the M25 protest (incidentally by a group I don't really know much about) but they're not. Here's an interesting piece that is heartbreaking.

Climate activists are being killed for trying to save our planet.

If environmental protesters are demonised through language and media/government attitude then the collective consciousness becomes one of 'these people are nutters' when they're not. In the article, there are major protests against some truly despicable corporations and regimes. There are governments who are using all the right terminology and ticking all the right boxes just to get funding in Foreign Aid and then pocketing the money in off-shore accounts.

It's so much more complicated than reducing it to the M25 blockades and we're already hearing about hefty prison sentences which implies their criminality is on a par with drug dealers or people traffickers.

I do a lot of writing of letters regarding disability rights and issues and advocating regarding discrimination. I've been on the receiving end of the government's demonisation of disabled people and it's really nasty. I don't want to see this happen to anyone protesting.

I'm not on here to fall out with anyone and I was actually saying to Mrs Citizen yesterday that I actually respect our good if heated discussion and our exchanges definitely fall into that category!

[Citizen's Nephew]

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I can't think of a single thing in his 19000+ posts that would give you reason to think this is true

Hope? After all, we all support City so maybe I'm resigned to expecting the worst and hoping for the best.

[The Bloop]

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Come on, you're better than this. The woman suffering a stroke was going to anyway. The woman due a child was risking it going on the M25 in the first place. The M25 is the dog's breath of a motorway and is to be avoided at all costs. I've literally lost days of my life stuck on the M25 over my lifetime. Idiots driving like idiots cause more death and carnage than a few misguided but well-intentioned protesters.

FWIW I think these kinds of protests are doing more harm than good but I weighed in yesterday because of the cynical language and attitudes of many e.g. tree-huggers, narcissists, scum etc. which is just playing into the divide and conquer tactics of the media and governments who want to demonise environmental protesters.

Sometimes things are so important that it takes radical action to initiate change. This has been true throughout history, hence my references to some of the biggest protesters and movements who were also demonised by the establishments of the time.

It's the cynism that I can't abide. I have no problem with discussion and suggesting different ways of doing things but I can't stand the cheap shots or the flag-waving, patriots who think being 17th in some meaningless table of meaningless data actually has any meaning at all.

So yeah, I'll fight their corner when they're being ganged up on by a bunch of cynics. Sometimes I do it because I truly believe in the cause, and sometimes I do it because I don't like the name-calling.

Yes the woman would have had the stroke, but the chances of a recovery were greatly diminished by the delays. According to her son, the medical staff said it was unlikely that she would have suffered the full left side paralysis that she has, had she gotten to the hospital sooner.