Harris (a wee rant, sorry)

[Hilts]

Re: Harris (a wee rant, sorry)

Dave Jones? What's he got to do with this?

Read the op.

Its an attack on the manager calling him an odious coward and weve had awful managers but not like him.

Jones attack on Matthews in my opinion was a lot worse so thought id point that out.

By the way I dont think Jones was an odious coward it was just the wrong thing to do especially with his bunch of under achievers.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Re: Harris (a wee rant, sorry)

Read the op.

Its an attack on the manager calling him an odious coward and weve had awful managers but not like him.

Jones attack on Matthews in my opinion was a lot worse so thought id point that out.

By the way I dont think Jones was an odious coward it was just the wrong thing to do especially with his bunch of under achievers.

I think that attack on Matthews was cowardly on a youngster who wouldn't have spoken out against it. I don't recall him ever speaking out as badly about other players whenever they had an absolute mare.

[goats]

Re: Harris (a wee rant, sorry)

He needs to go.

Is he still here? I’m sure I heard he was going to get the boot yesterday. I hope Tan speaks to all at sheff weds about Pulis too

[City123]

Re: Harris (a wee rant, sorry)

I think that attack on Matthews was cowardly on a youngster who wouldn't have spoken out against it. I don't recall him ever speaking out as badly about other players whenever they had an absolute mare.

Its hardly as if Matthews was the only unprofessional player at the club as well

[Steve the Tea]

Re: Harris (a wee rant, sorry)

We have a solid uninspiring unbalanced squad.

The injury to Moore has exacerbated the issue. He is a physical player but eventually Harris realised with the lack of passers in midfield and the absence of genuine pace on the flanks we had to revert to a 442 Big man, speedster 80’s look. It was working until the injury. Even if it meant Wilson as a 442 wide midfielder.

The only player to get a tune out of Glatzel is Tomlin. If Lee has the ball its likely to be in the important third and Glatzel wants to be passed into space and Tomlin is our only real passer with touch and feel. I am not sure if that says more about Tomlins attributes or Glatzels lack of suitability for the championship but, I am sure Keiffer would love a perfectly weighted ball into a bit of space rather than having to scrap for your life every now and then.

Our midfield was bought to be solid, relentless and tough. I think Pack was seen as having those qualities as well as better passing, but in truth is physically lacking the attributes of the other midfielders and his passing is marginally better although he is difficult to dispossess.

Ralls and Bacuna give us enough energy and power to allow the luxury player in midfield. We get away with Ralls and Vaulks, but the second we add Pack then Ralls is sent to the head of the vanguard where he is largely ineffective

Zohore, Junior and NML (then Murphy) gave us so much power, pace and finesse that the midfield only needed to be a “will not yield” group, well led by Gunnar (Ralls was an excellent accomplice). We have never recovered from this set up.

I think Harris has been dealt a poor hand, but that is life. His lack of any adventure to find solutions is disappointing.
Bennett did well as a centre half through necessity but can’t play right back ?
Murphy has so much skill but little defensive application, are you telling me he would be less effective up front than Glatzel ?
Pack or Vaulks can surely play centre half.
Wilson surely is better than M Harris as a striker in a 442, if not surely Murphy is ?
Whyte maybe a full back at this level.
Is Junior an attacking centre midfielder nowadays ?

He has been unlucky, but unwilling to try things and doesn’t learn.

“There is nothing better than adversity. Every defeat, every heartbreak, every loss, contains its own seed, its own lesson on how to improve your performance the next time.”– Malcolm X

Was also thinking of that recently.

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[Tuerto]

Re: Harris (a wee rant, sorry)

Was also thinking of that recently.

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All wingers become midfield players when the opposition have the ball.

[RonnieBird]

Re: Harris (a wee rant, sorry)

It's because he doesn't fancy it. He's only being asked to get a bit tighter and to make the opposition player think a bit, narrow his options. He's not interested in my opinion.

You may be right. We can't know what's in his mind and you could understand him being a bit pissed off after being asked to cover another position for so long and looking like a donkey as a result.
I do still think that the closer he crowds his man when it's not his thing, the more he'll be left sitting on his arse in the corner with a winger running free into space.

[Tuerto]

Re: Harris (a wee rant, sorry)

You may be right. We can't know what's in his mind and you could understand him being a bit pissed off after being asked to cover another position for so long and looking like a donkey as a result.
I do still think that the closer he crowds his man when it's not his thing, the more he'll be left sitting on his arse in the corner with a winger running free into space.

Fair shout, you could well be right :thumbup:

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Harris (a wee rant, sorry)

Bacuna has played at right back in the Premier League for Villa - according to Wikipedia “he impressed many in his debut season for the Villains despite constantly playing out of position at right back”. I believe he was playing there when he scored against us in 13/14 and so it’s a bit surprising that he’s found it such a struggle in recent weeks, although, as mentioned previously during a commentary on the club website, his wandering out of position might partially be down to instructions to push into midfield if we’re chasing the game.

[AfricanBluebird]

Re: Harris (a wee rant, sorry)

Read the op.

Its an attack on the manager calling him an odious coward and weve had awful managers but not like him.

Jones attack on Matthews in my opinion was a lot worse so thought id point that out.

By the way I dont think Jones was an odious coward it was just the wrong thing to do especially with his bunch of under achievers.

I thought that Dave Jones was well out of order the way he treated Matthews. I disliked his attitude while at the club. Ask the kitchen staff at the club, he was arrogant and thought he was too good to be at cardiff. He also should have gotten us promoted with probably one of the most talented teams we have ever seen at city.

However, despite my dislike of Jones as a person and his appalling Matthews criticism, Jones did show signs of self reflection on occasions when we had a bad run. Harris seems incapable of that and his default setting is to blame anyone other than himself.

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Harris (a wee rant, sorry)

I thought that Dave Jones was well out of order the way he treated Matthews. I disliked his attitude while at the club. Ask the kitchen staff at the club, he was arrogant and thought he was too good to be at cardiff. He also should have gotten us promoted with probably one of the most talented teams we have ever seen at city.

However, despite my dislike of Jones as a person and his appalling Matthews criticism, Jones did show signs of self reflection on occasions when we had a bad run. Harris seems incapable of that and his default setting is to blame anyone other than himself.

Dave Jones' disagreements with the late Steve Tucker were common knowledge, but Tucker later published a long and frank letter that Jones had sent him after he left Cardiff in which he admitted to being too quick to bite back when Tucker wrote something he disagreed with. It showed a side of Jones that we never saw while he was at Cardiff and I've often thought that the false allegations he had to face which led to him losing the Southampton job must have had an impact on him in his dealings with the media - it would hardly be a surprise if it made him defensive and suspicious of the press and played a part in the whole "surly scouser" thing.

In saying that, I can't ever remember Dave Jones being a barrel of laughs while he was Stockport manager, so maybe I'm reading too much into things. I've heard that Elis James podcast discussion about Adam Matthews and Gabbs was, mildly, critical of him, but I don't see that justifies what his manager said about the teenager following his own goal at Ipswich - as has been mentioned, there were more senior members of the squad whose behaviour left much to be desired and, seemingly, nothing was said to them by the manager.

[billy.ronson]

Re: Harris (a wee rant, sorry)

Quite simply I think the players are not enjoying the way we play, train, etc... Going to work us not fun and it shows in their performance. That's down to the manager and coaches.
Sadly my initial feelings about Harris when he was appointed ( I was surprised last season and said maybe I was wrong when he got us to 5th.) seemed to have been proven correct.
On the right back situation, why didn't we try and pick up Chris Gunter? Yes, He couldn't be guaranteed a start but he could cover right across the back having seen him play right, centre and left back for Wales also with his experience and knowing the Welsh players would have surely been an asset?

[Hilts]

Re: Harris (a wee rant, sorry)

Quite simply I think the players are not enjoying the way we play, train, etc... Going to work us not fun and it shows in their performance. That's down to the manager and coaches.
Sadly my initial feelings about Harris when he was appointed ( I was surprised last season and said maybe I was wrong when he got us to 5th.) seemed to have been proven correct.
On the right back situation, why didn't we try and pick up Chris Gunter? Yes, He couldn't be guaranteed a start but he could cover right across the back having seen him play right, centre and left back for Wales also with his experience and knowing the Welsh players would have surely been an asset?

Maybe there was no money for an ageing full back particularly as cover.