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    It’ll probably develop into another argument about the merits or otherwise of taking the knee, but something like this strikes me as being even more awkward in a country like South Africa and their cricket Board must need it like a hole in the head;-

    South Africa captain Temba Bavuma admitted his team were ‘taken aback’ by Quinton de Kock’s withdrawal from the match against West Indies

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    Re: Quinton de Kock.

    I was going to post this yesterday but decided against it.

    Given S Africas history I agree its a nightmare for their cricket board.

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    • #3
      Re: Quinton de Kock.

      de Kock by name……

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        Re: Quinton de Kock.

        Good quote from the captain - “With freedom of choice, as much as we decide what you want to do, we can’t escape the consequences of the choices and decisions that we make,”

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          Re: Quinton de Kock.

          Originally posted by Croesy Blue View Post
          Good quote from the captain - “With freedom of choice, as much as we decide what you want to do, we can’t escape the consequences of the choices and decisions that we make,”
          There aren't going to be any consequences long term because De Kock is one of their best players.

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            Re: Quinton de Kock.

            I don't think anyone should be forced to 'taking the knee ' the same for those who wish too, freedom of choice surely?

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              Originally posted by life on mars View Post
              I don't think anyone should be forced to 'taking the knee ' the same for those who wish too, freedom of choice surely?
              Read the captain’s quote, no-one is forced. There are lots of things I suppose that you’re not forced to do but you have to accept the consequences of not doing them.

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                Re: Quinton de Kock.

                Originally posted by life on mars View Post
                I don't think anyone should be forced to 'taking the knee ' the same for those who wish too, freedom of choice surely?
                Correct and he hasnt be forced to and never has.

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                  I do wonder how differently it’s been received over there. Racism is a whole other level in SA.

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                    Re: Quinton de Kock.

                    Originally posted by life on mars View Post
                    I don't think anyone should be forced to 'taking the knee ' the same for those who wish too, freedom of choice surely?
                    Why don’t you try reading and understanding something for once.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Quinton de Kock.

                      Originally posted by Croesy Blue View Post
                      Why don’t you try reading and understanding something for once.
                      I did he withdrew from game the after a team ( directive) was issued, freedom of choice??

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                        Originally posted by splott parker View Post
                        Read the captain’s quote, no-one is forced. There are lots of things I suppose that you’re not forced to do but you have to accept the consequences of not doing them.
                        They were all forced by the South African cricket board as it feels its right to make it (mandatory ) for its players to 'take the knee ,how is that freedom of choice.

                        I note there are a number of others in the team who refuse to take the knee who I guess are feeling the pressure , perhaps a more democratic approach would be not to make it mandatory .

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                          Re: Quinton de Kock.

                          Originally posted by Hilts View Post
                          Correct and he hasnt be forced to and never has.
                          He and they have been forced by this directive

                          “The CSA Board will await a further report from team management before deciding on the next steps.

                          (All players are expected to follow this directive for the remaining games of the World Cup.)

                          “CSA thanks all other Proteas players for agreeing to unite and make such an important public stand against racism.”

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                            Re: Quinton de Kock.

                            CSA put a directive out as not all players were taking the knee in warm ups. The directive was to show a united stance against racism.

                            De Kock decided for whatever reason he couldnt/wouldn't do it. Freedom of choice he decided to withdraw.

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                              There are people , several on here , who have put forward arguments for not taking the knee and the whole issue of BLM .

                              I think that people of course should have the choice . I think if football fans were booing individual players because they didn't take the knee I some ways that would be as bad as boooing players for doing so .

                              But clearly it's going to happen . If someone won't take the knee after being asked by the cricket or football authorities and their team people are not going to take the view that they don't want politics in sport or its time to move on ......many will think the person not taking the knee is racist .

                              So that person may get abuse at the ground or on social media or just walking down the street

                              It's all a bit of a mess really . If I was in his position I would just do it .

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