COP 26 Summit

[Canton Kev]

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You’ve got a point.

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Is it a ccmb problem or is it a wider world problem where the exact type of person to call someone a snowflake gets offended and defensive when someone disagrees with their opinion and provides proof?

and starts saying stuff like "cancel culture" and "pile on" as well

[A Quiet Monkfish]

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Lots of posh, well-off, well-connected, politicians meeting to decide how much the poorer 'little people' will have to pay and suffer. It's all about meeting up in posh hotels, having a good piss up, top quality food, lots of photos, and massaging their fat enormous egos.

[blue matt]

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Ah a Climate change thread with Greta included

must mean life is getting back to normal after Covid

[lardy]

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Lots of posh, well-off, well-connected, politicians meeting to decide how much the poorer 'little people' will have to pay and suffer. It's all about meeting up in posh hotels, having a good piss up, top quality food, lots of photos, and massaging their fat enormous egos.

Do you mean that's what climate change is about, or thats what government responses are about?

[Croesy Blue]

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Lots of posh, well-off, well-connected, politicians meeting to decide how much the poorer 'little people' will have to pay and suffer. It's all about meeting up in posh hotels, having a good piss up, top quality food, lots of photos, and massaging their fat enormous egos.

Sounds like you’re describing the problems with capitalism rather than climate change.

[JamesWales]

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Sounds like you’re describing the problems with capitalism rather than climate change.

I don't think capitalism and climate change have much in common; Communist countries don't have good environmental records, nor do socialist countries such as Venezuela.

Those who have decarbonised the most are all resolutely capitalist, and it is from within capitalism that solutions will inevitably be solved.

This isn't meant as a defence of capitalism, which is merely famously the "least worse economic system apart from all the others" it's just that this topic is too important to get lost in wider economic arguments.

We need all countries, all ideologies, all economies to get on board and implying that to deliver climate change means dumping capitalism is only going to make the argument less appealing. It is in fact the big mistake that many Green parties have made, and why they are generally so unelectable.

Personally, I'd avoid conflating the two issues.

[lardy]

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I don't think capitalism and climate change have much in common; Communist countries don't have good environmental records, nor do socialist countries such as Venezuela.

Those who have decarbonised the most are all resolutely capitalist, and it is from within capitalism that solutions will inevitably be solved.

This isn't meant as a defence of capitalism, which is merely famously the "least worse economic system apart from all the others" it's just that this topic is too important to get lost in wider economic arguments.

We need all countries, all ideologies, all economies to get on board and implying that to deliver climate change means dumping capitalism is only going to make the argument less appealing. It is in fact the big mistake that many Green parties have made, and why they are generally so unelectable.

Personally, I'd avoid conflating the two issues.

That's not at all what what is being said by Monkfish and Croesy here.

If rich politicians are gathering to discuss their response, which is likely to impact poor people most, then that is not happening because of climate change. Climate change is just the guise under which they're doing it.

[Croesy Blue]

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I don't think capitalism and climate change have much in common; Communist countries don't have good environmental records, nor do socialist countries such as Venezuela.

Those who have decarbonised the most are all resolutely capitalist, and it is from within capitalism that solutions will inevitably be solved.

This isn't meant as a defence of capitalism, which is merely famously the "least worse economic system apart from all the others" it's just that this topic is too important to get lost in wider economic arguments.

We need all countries, all ideologies, all economies to get on board and implying that to deliver climate change means dumping capitalism is only going to make the argument less appealing. It is in fact the big mistake that many Green parties have made, and why they are generally so unelectable.

Personally, I'd avoid conflating the two issues.

I wasn’t conflating the two issues even slightly.

[Croesy Blue]

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That's not at all what what is being said by Monkfish and Croesy here.

If rich politicians are gathering to discuss their response, which is likely to impact poor people most, then that is not happening because of climate change. Climate change is just the guise under which they're doing it.

As with a lot of political ideologies capitalism works as long as it isn’t being fronted by a bunch of corrupt greedy millionaires with no grasp of or real care for humanity.

Unfortunately in many western countries that’s the exact type of people who are in charge.

[JamesWales]

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I wasn’t conflating the two issues even slightly.

Fair enough

[A Quiet Monkfish]

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Do you mean that's what climate change is about, or thats what government responses are about?

Unfortunately - especially for younger people - the low-tax, free market world will soon be a thing of the past. Added to this, ordinary people are be told to pay for policies like 'zero carbon' . Policies that are driven by those to whom it will have no financial impact.

[Croesy Blue]

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Unfortunately - especially for younger people - the low-tax, free market world will soon be a thing of the past. Added to this, ordinary people are be told to pay for policies like 'zero carbon' . Policies that are driven by those to whom it will have no financial impact.

But we need those policies. The problem you have is with the shite people we have in charge of putting them in place and funding then by increasing taxes on the poor rather than the rich.

[A Quiet Monkfish]

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But we need those policies. The problem you have is with the shite people we have in charge of putting them in place and funding then by increasing taxes on the poor rather than the rich.

The last point is valid, but comes up against the same old problem governments have had for the last 100 years ; you can tax the rich as much as you want, but there aren't enough of them to make any difference. You can't tax the 'poor', ie those below the tax threshold, receiving benefits, so the burden ends up on the middle class, which really means anyone else, including probably 95% of us on here.

[Croesy Blue]

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There are definitely enough rich to make a difference