Mark Harris

[Lawnmower]

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Agree with pretty much all of that. Colwill has natural ability and will take responsibility on the ball. That's a really positive sign. Harris is positive when the ball is put between defenders, on the floor. He obviously needs to improve his all round game, but we do need to play to his strengths if we are going to see the best of him. I reckon that Moore is suited to the ball being played on the floor as well. These high balls seem to take so much out of him physically.

Yeah. That’s spot on about Moore. It’s hard work battling for the ball and although he not got pace, he’s no slug snd can pass and move really well when he has it to feet .

I’ve got no problem with using his arial strength , but he’ll definitely benefit from mixing by it up. Especially if it means he gets support nearer to him. He looked reborn in our comeback in Saturday

[Once U shop, U can't stop]

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I wouldn't say that Harris is one paced, he's got a good turn of pace over 15 yards...

In your hey-day, you'd have shown him a clean pair of heels....:hehe:
There was one recent home game (can't remember which) when we had three or four younger players and my impression was that they were all lacking in pace - and don't get me started on the young full backs.

[splott parker]

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Perhaps we should stop referring to Harris as if he’s a youngster though, if he’s to make it as a player at this level, at 22 he should be well on the way. I suppose he’s quite fortunate that the City have stuck by him, first teamers should be emerging in their late teens really.

[Citizen's Nephew]

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Lovely combination between Colwill and Giles in the build up for the third goal on Saturday and the former slid two or three Whirrs/McPhail passes through the Stoke defence.

As for Harris, when he’s good (eg Luton at home last season, where he more than any one brought about a complete transformation in our performance level, Birmingham away, in Belarus for Wales and on Saturday), he looks like a player that can easily cope with Championship football and he causes defenders a lot of problems, yet he can also look ordinary and on the edge of things. I suppose that’s to be expected from a younger player, especially in a struggling side - three of those four performances I mentioned came as a substitute, maybe that’s the role he’s best suited to at the moment?

Tuerto mentioned Pilkington in his original post and think it's interesting that he was a player that was more effective off the bench too. Although I hope the similarities to finding himself offside on too many occasions isn't something we see in Harris - especially when the potential winner was ruled out on Saturday for the same reason!

[Lawnmower]

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Perhaps we should stop referring to Harris as if he’s a youngster though, if he’s to make it as a player at this level, at 22 he should be well on the way. I suppose he’s quite fortunate that the City have stuck by him, first teamers should be emerging in their late teens really.

Been difficult for youngsters to come in until the last 12 months or so as we’ve had decent players offer with big fees/ wages in front of them who’ve been given a lot more chances.

Now the squad is cut down they are being picked more often and given a chance to shine.

Some also take a bit longer to develop. Harris for me looks a far better player this season than last.

[Citizen's Nephew]

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In your hey-day, you'd have shown him a clean pair of heels....:hehe:
There was one recent home game (can't remember which) when we had three or four younger players and my impression was that they were all lacking in pace - and don't get me started on the young full backs.

That's been my feeling too. I was expecting them to be nippier. Is this the slowest Cardiff City squad in recent decades?

[dembethewarrior]

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My impression of him and other younger ones who have played in the Championship is that they are one-paced - and it's not quick!

Is it possible that it has something to do with the way we have played when they have been used? They are brought up playing a certain way then expected to fit in and look good in a direct team.

You could say they should be good enough to adapt, but plenty of better players struggle in teams when being transfered to different leagues, Sancho, werner etc as examples.

I remember Morison saying it would take time to change the style, so maybe what we saw first half was due to that, and eventually we will see more of the second half rather than the first half.

Wishful thinking maybe, but it's a positive outlook.

Nice to have some more positive opinions than the constant flow of shit we've had to out up with for years.

[Tuerto]

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In your hey-day, you'd have shown him a clean pair of heels....:hehe:
There was one recent home game (can't remember which) when we had three or four younger players and my impression was that they were all lacking in pace - and don't get me started on the young full backs.

Yeah, pace is at a premium it seems. we don't have the quickest squad of players :thumbup:

[Tuerto]

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Perhaps we should stop referring to Harris as if he’s a youngster though, if he’s to make it as a player at this level, at 22 he should be well on the way. I suppose he’s quite fortunate that the City have stuck by him, first teamers should be emerging in their late teens really.

He's young in terms of experience.

[MacAdder]

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Totally agree with the post - problem is we dont have a Whitts or a McPhail that can slide through a pass so he can just jump onto it and finish.

Our midfield is so poor that we're not getting enough out of the rest of the squad.

Exactly this.

To play effectively off the shoulder you need someone who can not only look to pass it forward but put it on a sixpence.

Sadly, Whitts and McPhail seem like a distant memory.
What's the saying, you only appreciate something when it's gone? (or something like that).

Harris's strength seems when he runs the channels but not particularly great, as has been said, holding it up, giving and going again.

If he can form a partnership with Kieffer, they can share the load as Keiffer is good at both holding it up and running the channels, as well as a good target man and outlet when we are under pressure.

Would like to see us play with those two up top with a high press but have we got the personnel for it?
Not sure we have unfortunately so Steve, you need to get busy in the loan market.

[LeningradCowboy]

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He's young in terms of experience.

He'll be 23 in a couple of months. How many players make it at Championship level without establishing themselves as first-team regulars by that age?

[dembethewarrior]

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Perhaps we should stop referring to Harris as if he’s a youngster though, if he’s to make it as a player at this level, at 22 he should be well on the way. I suppose he’s quite fortunate that the City have stuck by him, first teamers should be emerging in their late teens really.

You aren't wrong, although we all know why he hasn't with us, there hasn't been much of an opportunity for them to make an impression never mind claim a spot.

I think at another team he'd have a few more appearances under his belt.

[Tuerto]

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He'll be 23 in a couple of months. How many players make it at Championship level without establishing themselves as first-team regulars by that age?

I don't know, probably not many. I don't even know if he will ever be good enough, if i had to place a bet then i'd say that he wont. My main point is that he does have something to offer and that he hasn't really been in a position tactically where he can show his positive attributes. Hopefully that changes :thumbup:

[LeningradCowboy]

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I don't know, probably not many. I don't even know if he will ever be good enough, if i had to place a bet then i'd say that he wont. My main point is that he does have something to offer and that he hasn't really been in a position tactically where he can show his positive attributes. Hopefully that changes :thumbup:

I'd like to think so, but we've been here before when Harris had a few good performances last season and he wasn't really able to build on them.

[Citizen's Nephew]

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I don't know, probably not many. I don't even know if he will ever be good enough, if i had to place a bet then i'd say that he wont. My main point is that he does have something to offer and that he hasn't really been in a position tactically where he can show his positive attributes. Hopefully that changes :thumbup:

29 appearances for us (don't know how many starts but Mad Mick played him and so did Neil Harris) and just 4 goals (don't know how many assists). 16 appearances for Newport (under Flynn who I believe didn't start him many times) and other than that it's been Port Vale & Wrexham. 3 Wales caps this year.

I think I'm with you on this but yeah, been a square peg in a round hole for us but not his fault.