Away shirt on boxing Day

[Baloo]

Re: Away shirt on boxing Day

True. So City should change their kit for every game for a charity?

I take your point, I would just rather something less gimicky tbh

What would you suggest?

[JamesWales]

Re: Away shirt on boxing Day

What would you suggest?

Off the top of my head, how about:

1 / City to welcome Big Issue sellers inside / around the ground on match days?
2 / City to write a monthly column in Big Issue or provide a couple of pages in every programme for Big Issue sports writers?
3 / City to work with Cardiff Council to fund spaces for homeless shelters (although capacity isn't the issue really)
4 / City to fund research projects into the true causes of homelessness in Cardiff and South Wales.
5 / City to work with Cardiff Council to provide an address for homeless people to apply for work if necessary
6 / City to actively try to employ people without permanent accommodation on match days, in catering, programme sales, mentoring etc.
7 / The club can state they will refuse any advertising from organisations like Air BnB.
8 / City to provide free tickets to some homeless people for each game so they can feel a part of our club and society and not forever an outcast. When in a stadium, we can forget our problems for 90 minutes. This is a powerful thing.

I should add, none of this is City's job, but I just don't like virtue signalling.

And yes, I get the argument that even creating this thread does stimulate conversations like the above. What I am unconvinced by is the benefit of allowing people to absolve themselves of responsibility by supporting a gimmick and nothing more.

The club shouldn't just become a vehicle for loads of causes. I'd rather we throw ourselves strongly into less things but those that will make a real difference.

[Citizen's Nephew]

Re: Away shirt on boxing Day

Off the top of my head, how about:

1 / City to welcome Big Issue sellers inside / around the ground on match days?
2 / City to write a monthly column in Big Issue or provide a couple of pages in every programme for Big Issue sports writers?
3 / City to work with Cardiff Council to fund spaces for homeless shelters (although capacity isn't the issue really)
4 / City to fund research projects into the true causes of homelessness in Cardiff and South Wales.
5 / City to work with Cardiff Council to provide an address for homeless people to apply for work if necessary
6 / City to actively try to employ people without permanent accommodation on match days, in catering, programme sales, mentoring etc.
7 / The club can state they will refuse any advertising from organisations like Air BnB.
8 / City to provide free tickets to some homeless people for each game so they can feel a part of our club and society and not forever an outcast. When in a stadium, we can forget our problems for 90 minutes. This is a powerful thing.

I should add, none of this is City's job, but I just don't like virtue signalling.

And yes, I get the argument that even creating this thread does stimulate conversations like the above. What I am unconvinced by is the benefit of allowing people to absolve themselves of responsibility by supporting a gimmick and nothing more.

The club shouldn't just become a vehicle for loads of causes. I'd rather we throw ourselves strongly into less things but those that will make a real difference.

Really good post. :thumbup:

[delmbox]

Re: Away shirt on boxing Day

Really good post. :thumbup:

agreed

[FormerlyJohnnyBreadhead]

Re: Away shirt on boxing Day

Off the top of my head, how about:

1 / City to welcome Big Issue sellers inside / around the ground on match days?
2 / City to write a monthly column in Big Issue or provide a couple of pages in every programme for Big Issue sports writers?
3 / City to work with Cardiff Council to fund spaces for homeless shelters (although capacity isn't the issue really)
4 / City to fund research projects into the true causes of homelessness in Cardiff and South Wales.
5 / City to work with Cardiff Council to provide an address for homeless people to apply for work if necessary
6 / City to actively try to employ people without permanent accommodation on match days, in catering, programme sales, mentoring etc.
7 / The club can state they will refuse any advertising from organisations like Air BnB.
8 / City to provide free tickets to some homeless people for each game so they can feel a part of our club and society and not forever an outcast. When in a stadium, we can forget our problems for 90 minutes. This is a powerful thing.

I should add, none of this is City's job, but I just don't like virtue signalling.

And yes, I get the argument that even creating this thread does stimulate conversations like the above. What I am unconvinced by is the benefit of allowing people to absolve themselves of responsibility by supporting a gimmick and nothing more.

The club shouldn't just become a vehicle for loads of causes. I'd rather we throw ourselves strongly into less things but those that will make a real difference.

It could be worth writing to the club with those ideas. Doubt they'd be willing to put any serious money in given the state of the finances right now, but some of your suggestions would require no financial input from the club.

In Cardiffs defence here, it's worth pointing out that Shelter approached the clubs for their support with this - the whole campaign is their idea. As valid as your points are, can you imagine how much worse it would be if they had said no?

[JamesWales]

Re: Away shirt on boxing Day

It could be worth writing to the club with those ideas. Doubt they'd be willing to put any serious money in given the state of the finances right now, but some of your suggestions would require no financial input from the club.

In Cardiffs defence here, it's worth pointing out that Shelter approached the clubs for their support with this - the whole campaign is their idea. As valid as your points are, can you imagine how much worse it would be if they had said no?

It's a very fair point, especially regarding Shelter approaching the clubs.

I'm definitely not critical of the club as such, I think it's just the way corporations increasingly do this kind of thing and kind of wash their hands of it all and meaningful change never happens.

And it's not sports clubs role to enact meaningful societal change either, but I also don't think you get to touch on these subjects and then move on. Take them seriously, and with some simple changes some good can be done.

Yeah, I may put this in an email to the club actually. A lot of it is very doable, and so much of homelessness is tied to mental health problems, that football can help with, in providing something everyone should be able to unite in support of. Sometimes, even just inviting people along to sit as equals amongst us does more good than people may realise.

[WJ99mobile]

Re: Away shirt on boxing Day

Mind blowing stance by PL.

I understand why they've blocked it but it's still callous.

We've had BLM, Kick it out and regularly have troop parades round the pitch, wearing a different kit isn't the end of the world but do tend to agree with JamesWales

[Citizen's Nephew]

Re: Away shirt on boxing Day

It's a very fair point, especially regarding Shelter approaching the clubs.

I'm definitely not critical of the club as such, I think it's just the way corporations increasingly do this kind of thing and kind of wash their hands of it all and meaningful change never happens.

And it's not sports clubs role to enact meaningful societal change either, but I also don't think you get to touch on these subjects and then move on. Take them seriously, and with some simple changes some good can be done.

Yeah, I may put this in an email to the club actually. A lot of it is very doable, and so much of homelessness is tied to mental health problems, that football can help with, in providing something everyone should be able to unite in support of. Sometimes, even just inviting people along to sit as equals amongst us does more good than people may realise.

You should so do this and include what you've written in this last paragraph. Well said.

[Baloo]

Re: Away shirt on boxing Day

It could be worth writing to the club with those ideas. Doubt they'd be willing to put any serious money in given the state of the finances right now, but some of your suggestions would require no financial input from the club.

In Cardiffs defence here, it's worth pointing out that Shelter approached the clubs for their support with this - the whole campaign is their idea. As valid as your points are, can you imagine how much worse it would be if they had said no?

Agreed. The club has responded to a request from Shelter to support this campaign and so far appears to be one of only a handful of clubs to have done so.

Of course it would be great if some of the other ideas in this thread were implemented. But I guess something similar could really be be advocated for any other worthwhile cause. And that this has always been the case and not just now because they've agreed to participate in this specific campaign.