Gavin Whyte

[dembethewarrior]

Re: Gavin Whyte

Based on what? He's had plenty of chances. He doesn't do anything apart from work hard. He's not scored and has 1 assist in 14 games this season. He's not even starting every week for Oxford. Hull didn't want him back. He's not good enough.

He may end up being not good enough, but I'd rather it was decided with the new manager taking a look first.

There was obviously something there for him to be signed in the first place. Though with hindsight I'd have taken Lowe first..

[dembethewarrior]

Re: Gavin Whyte

But he's never played at full-back or wing-back.

I've always thought he may do well there too, know he hasn't played there but, at least under warnocks tactics I thought he could do a job there. Not to say he could obviously..

[life on mars]

Re: Gavin Whyte

Played 31 times for us.

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Gavin Whyte

Based on what he's shown so far in a Cardiff shirt and when I've watched him play for Northern Ireland, I think we're struggling if we're relying on players like Gavin Whyte.

[Citizen's Nephew]

Re: Gavin Whyte

Based on what he's shown so far in a Cardiff shirt and when I've watched him play for Northern Ireland, I think we're struggling if we're relying on players like Gavin Whyte.

Aren't we struggling at the moment though Bob? Do you really think he'd not play well under Steve Morison? I know we've placed all our chips on youth but we're still in a financial conundrum. I want him to do well enough for us so we can at least try and offload him for some much-needed cash. Genuinely, what am I missing here?

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Gavin Whyte

Aren't we struggling at the moment though Bob? Do you really think he'd not play well under Steve Morison? I know we've placed all our chips on youth but we're still in a financial conundrum. I want him to do well enough for us so we can at least try and offload him for some much-needed cash. Genuinely, what am I missing here?

We’re in fight to stay in the Championship, logic suggests we need players of Championship quality to win that fight. I see nothing in Gavin Whyte’s career since he moved to his first EFL career to indicate that, in his mid twenties, he’s anything better than a good League One player. That’s the level he was at in his first spell at Oxford, he then couldn’t keep his place at Cardiff and was loaned to another League One club that won promotion while he was there, but, although I’m guessing they definitely could have him on loan this season as well, they chose not to do so for the higher level they are now at, so he finds himself back in League One with Oxford - we need better than that.

[sneggyblubird]

Re: Gavin Whyte

Its been said that they(Morison etc.) have watched Watters playing and have been impressed so I can see him coming back and he may well flourish under the new management but if they are watching Whyte too then I havent heard anything yet.

[Citizen's Nephew]

Re: Gavin Whyte

We’re in fight to stay in the Championship, logic suggests we need players of Championship quality to win that fight. I see nothing in Gavin Whyte’s career since he moved to his first EFL career to indicate that, in his mid twenties, he’s anything better than a good League One player. That’s the level he was at in his first spell at Oxford, he then couldn’t keep his place at Cardiff and was loaned to another League One club that won promotion while he was there, but, although I’m guessing they definitely could have him on loan this season as well, they chose not to do so for the higher level they are now at, so he finds himself back in League One with Oxford - we need better than that.

OK, I get that and certainly respect your analysis but how is 'championship quality' measured? Wintle, most would say, is passing the test but what of Watters, say, who's not playing at that level? Also, isn't the only true measure of championship quality one where a player has been successful over a season and has been part of a successful (as in non-relegated) side? How does that square with our youth policy? I get that you don't rate Whyte and that's cool. But surely we have to be careful that we don't allow our own bias and wishful thinking (I'm not talking about you here BTW) to objectively assess our dogfight capabilities. We've a terrible record of prematurely or inappropriately writing players off at Cardiff so I guess I'm just playing devils advocate in order to understand why this happens.

[Citizen's Nephew]

Re: Gavin Whyte

OK, I get that and certainly respect your analysis but how is 'championship quality' measured? Wintle, most would say, is passing the test but what of Watters, say, who's not playing at that level? Also, isn't the only true measure of championship quality one where a player has been successful over a season and has been part of a successful (as in non-relegated) side? How does that square with our youth policy? I get that you don't rate Whyte and that's cool. But surely we have to be careful that we don't allow our own bias and wishful thinking (I'm not talking about you here BTW) to objectively assess our dogfight capabilities. We've a terrible record of prematurely or inappropriately writing players off at Cardiff so I guess I'm just playing devils advocate in order to understand why this happens.

I worded that badly at the end...I meant to write 'But surely we have to be careful that we don't allow our own bias and wishful thinking (I'm not talking about you here BTW) to get in the way of objectively assessing our dogfight capabilities

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Gavin Whyte

OK, I get that and certainly respect your analysis but how is 'championship quality' measured? Wintle, most would say, is passing the test but what of Watters, say, who's not playing at that level? Also, isn't the only true measure of championship quality one where a player has been successful over a season and has been part of a successful (as in non-relegated) side? How does that square with our youth policy? I get that you don't rate Whyte and that's cool. But surely we have to be careful that we don't allow our own bias and wishful thinking (I'm not talking about you here BTW) to objectively assess our dogfight capabilities. We've a terrible record of prematurely or inappropriately writing players off at Cardiff so I guess I'm just playing devils advocate in order to understand why this happens.

Players tend to find their natural level, or have it found for them - at twenty six in two months time, Whyte is not in the promising youngster category any more and he's still being signed for League One clubs.

[Pedro de la Rosa]

Re: Gavin Whyte

That's harsh. I'd take a hard worker over the flaccid lot I've paid to watch this season. Have you seen where we are in the table? We're never going to get any money back unless we play him and if he's bloody good enough to play for Northern Ireland and help to hold Italy to a 0-0 draw, he's certainly bloody good enough to play for us.

Signings like Whyte are why we are in this mess. He's got no footballing talent apart from hard work and being quite quick. He offers absolutely sod all on the pitch. He rarely goes past a man, he's not scored in 31 games for us, he's not scored in 13 games for Oxford. He has 4 goals and 2 assists in 2 and a half seasons. Hull didn't want to resign him, and they're worse than us. He's an honest player but he is not good enough. He's had 5 managers (including the 2 loan managers) and he's done nothing for any of them.

Re Northern Ireland comment, there are two squad players for Sunderland in that side and another League One player. That is not an indication of their quality.

[Citizen's Nephew]

Re: Gavin Whyte

Signings like Whyte are why we are in this mess. He's got no footballing talent apart from hard work and being quite quick. He offers absolutely sod all on the pitch. He rarely goes past a man, he's not scored in 31 games for us, he's not scored in 13 games for Oxford. He has 4 goals and 2 assists in 2 and a half seasons. Hull didn't want to resign him, and they're worse than us. He's an honest player but he is not good enough. He's had 5 managers (including the 2 loan managers) and he's done nothing for any of them.

Re Northern Ireland comment, there are two squad players for Sunderland in that side and another League One player. That is not an indication of their quality.

I suppose what I don't like is kicking the player(s). I've watched some utter phoned-in performances by so-called senior pros in our squad this season. Whyte wasn't even playing.

What does Whyte have? Pace. What are we short of? Pace. Could the new messiah Morison get something out of him? If he's as good as everyone thinks he might be (sic) then I'd have him.

But let's park that coz it's all guesswork and opinion. I do agree that it's signing's like Whyte that have contributed to the mess we're in. But let's not forget who signed him for an undisclosed fee (I've seen figures of £2M but have no idea if these are correct).

This is the quote from Neil Warnock in July 2019 "I watched a lot of Gavin while we were scouting Curtis Nelson. He just excited me so much. He's full of enthusiasm and is just the type of player that we were looking for. I think he'll be a fans' favourite for years to come.".

He clearly didn't see as much of him as a lot of other people did in Belfast in January 2019 when he was filmed masturbating in the street after a NI match (my grammar makes that sound even more bizarre than it already is). This also made the quote by our Gav when he signed a tad unfortunate: "I'm delighted," he said. "When I first heard about the move, I couldn't wait to come here.

Not helped by also adding "I'm a hard worker".

In fairness to the lad he was 'mortified'. As I'm sure many of us would be if we 'were filmed'.

Look, I'm a cynical s*d these days. Neil-got-us-promoted-then-relegated-from-the-PL-Warnock signed him. Is that Whyte's fault? No. Am I asking a lot of questions then answering them myself? Yes.

Did he really watch him? Hmm. I wonder who ate all the porkie pies? Jeez, I can't stop myself!

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Re: Gavin Whyte

I suppose what I don't like is kicking the player(s). I've watched some utter phoned-in performances by so-called senior pros in our squad this season. Whyte wasn't even playing.

What does Whyte have? Pace.

At this point your argument is lost. Whyte was slow compared with Mendez-Laing and Hoilett.

[Citizen's Nephew]

Re: Gavin Whyte

At this point your argument is lost. Whyte was slow compared with Mendez-Laing and Hoilett.

Why Eric? We're arguing about bringing him back (or the merits of). Pace would be the only asset he could offer as I think we're short on raw pace and look a very slow side. Everything else has to be taken in that context, The fact that Warnock signed him for his pace or something he alleges to have seen in him is something you'd have ask him about, especially as you say, he was slower than Holiestt or Mendez-lying at the time.

The rest about him getting caught exposing himself (something Warnock would have known about - or should have) is neither here nor there I just threw that in to highlight how I don't think Warnock had ever seen him play.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Re: Gavin Whyte

Why Eric? We're arguing about bringing him back (or the merits of). Pace would be the only asset he could offer as I think we're short on raw pace and look a very slow side. Everything else has to be taken in that context, The fact that Warnock signed him for his pace or something he alleges to have seen in him is something you'd have ask him about, especially as you say, he was slower than Holiestt or Mendez-lying at the time.

The rest about him getting caught exposing himself (something Warnock would have known about - or should have) is neither here nor there I just threw that in to highlight how I don't think Warnock had ever seen him play.

WHYTE HAS NO PACE