The new Beatles film/series

[NYCBlue]

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based on what ivor ?
i beg to differ if we are talking music

They showed that four ordinary blokes could write and perform their own songs and succeed. They created some of the best songs and albums ever recorded. They influenced and continue to influence countless bands. And we're still talking about them more than 50 years after it was all over.

[splott parker]

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Grow up Parker ffs

You debunked history in a sweeping statement and I need to grow up???? I love history and think saying ‘it was a long time ago, it’s in the past and gone for good’ is a ridiculous thing to say.

[Whisperer]

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You debunked history in a sweeping statement and I need to grow up???? I love history and think saying ‘it was a long time ago, it’s in the past and gone for good’ is a ridiculous thing to say.

The Beatles split up in 1970 in my book that’s a long time ago and they won’t be playing at the castle anytime soon….their gone for good. Unless you know something we don’t.

[goats]

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They showed that four ordinary blokes could write and perform their own songs and succeed. They created some of the best songs and albums ever recorded. They influenced and continue to influence countless bands. And we're still talking about them more than 50 years after it was all over.

I doubt we will ever see such talent anytime soon

[MOZZER2]

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They showed that four ordinary blokes could write and perform their own songs and succeed. They created some of the best songs and albums ever recorded. They influenced and continue to influence countless bands. And we're still talking about them more than 50 years after it was all over.

not doubting there talent and the works they produced some great tunes but the thread i responded to mentioned changing the world .The Beatles were a product of the previous generation and if you look at there influences the likes of cliff richard , buddy holly , elvis , bob dylan , chuck berry , beach boys , everly brothers to name a few were the real game changers in music . All forms of popular music came from gospel , blues , jazz and country music in the 1950's

[NYCBlue]

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I doubt we will ever see such talent anytime soon

In the film John is 28, Paul is 26, George is 25 and Ringo is 28. Crazy.

[NYCBlue]

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not doubting there talent and the works they produced some great tunes but the thread i responded to mentioned changing the world .The Beatles were a product of the previous generation and if you look at there influences the likes of cliff richard , buddy holly , elvis , bob dylan , chuck berry , beach boys , everly brothers to name a few were the real game changers in music . All forms of popular music came from gospel , blues , jazz and country music in the 1950's

But they took all that (probably not that easy in those days - you couldn't just look up every band you heard of on youtube) and turned it into something else. Something that had a profound effect and influenced probably more bands than all the names you mentioned combined. I love the Beach Boys, but to put them ahead of the Beatles in terms of being influential is ridiculous. Cliff Richard was just a Elvis/Eddie Cochran imitator and his most influential "rock and roll" song (Move It) was written by someone else. Elvis never wrote a song in his life by the way. Lennon and McCartney started writing songs in their teens.

[MOZZER2]

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But they took all that (probably not that easy in those days - you couldn't just look up every band you heard of on youtube) and turned it into something else. Something that had a profound effect and influenced probably more bands than all the names you mentioned combined. I love the Beach Boys, but to put them ahead of the Beatles in terms of being influential is ridiculous. Cliff Richard was just a Elvis/Eddie Cochran imitator and his most influential "rock and roll" song (Move It) was written by someone else. Elvis never wrote a song in his life by the way. Lennon and McCartney started writing songs in their teens.

think your getting all confused NYC the influences i mentioned were from the Beatles members not me

[NYCBlue]

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think your getting all confused NYC the influences i mentioned were from the Beatles members not me

I understand the Beatles were influenced by other artists. But they didn't just copy them. The Beatles are greater than the sum of all those parts. They changed music and therefore changed the world.

[the other bob wilson]

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not doubting there talent and the works they produced some great tunes but the thread i responded to mentioned changing the world .The Beatles were a product of the previous generation and if you look at there influences the likes of cliff richard , buddy holly , elvis , bob dylan , chuck berry , beach boys , everly brothers to name a few were the real game changers in music . All forms of popular music came from gospel , blues , jazz and country music in the 1950's

I suspect you’re not old enough to have lived through all of the years when the Beatles were active and selling records (I.e. 1962 to 1970). I’m a bit too young for my memories of their early years to be entirely reliable, but,I think it’s generally accepted that the sixties were a seminal decade - put simplistically, it was when the world went from black and white to colour in ways beyond just cinema and television.

My impression is that the first three years of the sixties were just an extension of the fifties, musically, the shot in the arm provided by rock and roll in the mid fifties had died out as it had gone mainstream with “safer” versions of some of the artists you mention dominant. That all changed in 1963 when I can recall She Loves You (one of my least favourite Beatles songs) getting to number one and it seemed like everyone, and I mean everyone, was singing it.

That was when the sixties started as far as Im concerned. The Beatles didn’t create the sense of rebellion that was a characteristic of that decade, the conditions were in place already for what that decade became, but, for me, they were the focal point of it in that they kicked open a door through which others could follow.

There are those who say the Beatles were “safe” in the way that Hollywood Elvis became safe, they were like Pat Boone, Paul Anka etc, and, certainly, Brian Epstein tried to steer them in that sort of direction while he was still alive, but he couldn’t. In my experience, it is very rare for the biggest, most famous bands and performers of an era to be able to sell huge amounts of records and be good - the ones that sell the most singles tend to be unadventurous and predictable musically, but the Beatles were the biggest band out there for a while and they were also very good and musically adventurous.

There was a time when eight hours worth of television showing the Beatles working in the studio in their latter days would have been lapped up by me, but I’m in no hurry to watch it now, so I suppose I agree with the Whisperer to some extent, but that doesn’t mean that I don’t fully understand why people are still driven to produce such work more than half of a century later - the Beatles were a phenomenon and our lives would have been different if they had not existed, their influence in so many facets of life is greater than any other musical act of my lifetime.

[lardy]

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You've probably got to be quite deeply invested in them to watch the whole thing, and I am in that category so I'm enjoying it.

They must be the most influential pop group of all time (pop meaning popular in this case). The only other artists I can think of to rival them are individuals (Elvis, chuck berry, Michael Jackson, Hendrix, and so on).

Maybe you need to be a sociologist to say how influential they were outside of music, but from a UK point of view they were surely crucial in updating Britain's global image from Empire and Churchill into the new post-war world.

[lardy]

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Ringo's role interests me. For most of the time, he's sat doing nothing at his drumkit while the others work on the music, which is perhaps not surprising (he plays one of his compositions on piano, and it is really bad). But I expected his role to be more of 'relationship manager' but he just keeps out of everything.

After George leaves and John and Paul say they'll go to visit him in Liverpool, Ringo says he was going to visit him anyway. So perhaps that's a clue that Ringo was being Ringo away from the cameras.

[goats]

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I understand the Beatles were influenced by other artists. But they didn't just copy them. The Beatles are greater than the sum of all those parts. They changed music and therefore changed the world.

They did…nothing has even come close has it?

[Baloo]

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I’ve never seen anything like this on film before. Paul really has nothing at the 30 second mark—but 45 seconds later he’s got the makings of a hit single. pic.twitter.com/kvGOp1yuZs

— Ted Gioia (@tedgioia) November 28, 2021

[Citizen's Nephew]

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Yeah let’s ditch all history, 1927 pah!!!!

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