Train travel yesterday.

[dembethewarrior]

Re: Train travel yesterday.

The service is horrendous, why do you feel the need to deny that ? Tfw management have been too slow to get a handle on the ridiculous 769 situation. There is also a big staffing problem at tfw presently, and that's also a situation that tfw management should have got a grip of. The current service is disgraceful, it's not fair on passengers, and it's not fair on the front line tfw staff.

"Seemingly not interested in running a decent service in the mean time"

They don't have the rolling stock to keep up with the demand. Obviously service is going to suffer as a consequence.

People are making out like they are doing it for no reason and can't be arsed.

[dembethewarrior]

Re: Train travel yesterday.

This thread is not bonkers, this thread reflects the truly awful service provided on a Saturday just before Christmas- I bet more of this problem from the previous weekend played a part in it as well.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...aused-22303462

Service issues which are down to not enough carriages..they don't have enough rolling stock. I feel Sludge repeating that point over and over in this thread.

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Train travel yesterday.

Service issues which are down to not enough carriages..they don't have enough rolling stock. I feel Sludge repeating that point over and over in this thread.

And I feel the same way with you just parroting a line which you seem to think makes the whole thing perfectly acceptable- have a look at these pictures, they’d be bad enough under normal circumstances, but in a pandemic?

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/trains-overcrowding-cardiff-rugby-wales-22229883

[chrisp_1927]

Re: Train travel yesterday.

"Seemingly not interested in running a decent service in the mean time"

They don't have the rolling stock to keep up with the demand. Obviously service is going to suffer as a consequence.

People are making out like they are doing it for no reason and can't be arsed.

That was maybe slightly hyperbolic, I will admit. But I don't think it's too far from the truth. I'm not normally into a 'blame it on the board ' type mentality, but I think it is perfectly justified in this situation. The service has been an absolute joke for months, their crewing issues seem to be the worst in the country. There has been too much silly pr and promises from tfw, with nowhere near enough delivery.

[dembethewarrior]

Re: Train travel yesterday.

That was maybe slightly hyperbolic, I will admit. But I don't think it's too far from the truth. I'm not normally into a 'blame it on the board ' type mentality, but I think it is perfectly justified in this situation. The service has been an absolute joke for months, their crewing issues seem to be the worst in the country. There has been too much silly pr and promises from tfw, with nowhere near enough delivery.

They don't have all the new trains yet they are still being built.

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Train travel yesterday.

And I feel the same way with you just parroting a line which you seem to think makes the whole thing perfectly acceptable- have a look at these pictures, they’d be bad enough under normal circumstances, but in a pandemic?

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...wales-22229883

I take it you didn’t read the link about longer trains not being used I linked to.

[dembethewarrior]

Re: Train travel yesterday.

And I feel the same way with you just parroting a line which you seem to think makes the whole thing perfectly acceptable- have a look at these pictures, they’d be bad enough under normal circumstances, but in a pandemic?

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...wales-22229883

I don't need to look at pictures. I've caught a train before I know what it's like.on 2 carriages from NP Station with kids in tow..

I am parroting it because it is a justified reason, one, that is part of the issue causing the pictures you want me to look at.

You can't seem to grasp the logistics of carriage swapping either and how it's not as straightforward, bit you've moved on from that now.

Keep posting. They still don't have the carriages to for the demand. Overcrowding and delays are inevitable. Moaning about it on here won't change that.

[chrisp_1927]

Re: Train travel yesterday.

They don't have all the new trains yet they are still being built.

That is true, there are however more 153s in storage around the country. Tfw should be a lot more aggressive in chasing derogations to get them in and attached to compliant units. Tfw also would have had the data and reports from maintenance telling them how bad these 769s were. They needed to be a lot more aggressive in chasing extensions and derogations for the Pacers. To top it all off, their crewing situation is appalling. Lots of cancellations due to lack of traincrew. Other operators aren't having issues to the same degree in staffing their trains.

The issues you mention are correct, but I still think it's reasonable to have expected tfw to cope better with the situation.

[dembethewarrior]

Re: Train travel yesterday.

That is true, there are however more 153s in storage around the country. Tfw should be a lot more aggressive in chasing derogations to get them in and attached to compliant units. Tfw also would have had the data and reports from maintenance telling them how bad these 769s were. They needed to be a lot more aggressive in chasing extensions and derogations for the Pacers. To top it all off, their crewing situation is appalling. Lots of cancellations due to lack of traincrew. Other operators aren't having issues to the same degree in staffing their trains.

The issues you mention are correct, but I still think it's reasonable to have expected tfw to cope better with the situation.

Are the 153s compliant with the new trains?

Aren't there shortages in other areas as well? If so how are there trains in storage. Are they in storage because they are old and can't be used? If they are fine why aren't they being used (if compliant)

[dembethewarrior]

Re: Train travel yesterday.

That is true, there are however more 153s in storage around the country. Tfw should be a lot more aggressive in chasing derogations to get them in and attached to compliant units. Tfw also would have had the data and reports from maintenance telling them how bad these 769s were. They needed to be a lot more aggressive in chasing extensions and derogations for the Pacers. To top it all off, their crewing situation is appalling. Lots of cancellations due to lack of traincrew. Other operators aren't having issues to the same degree in staffing their trains.

The issues you mention are correct, but I still think it's reasonable to have expected tfw to cope better with the situation.

How can they cope better if they don't have the carriages to fit demand. They aren't built yet

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Train travel yesterday.

I don't need to look at pictures. I've caught a train before I know what it's like.on 2 carriages from NP Station with kids in tow..

I am parroting it because it is a justified reason, one, that is part of the issue causing the pictures you want me to look at.

You can't seem to grasp the logistics of carriage swapping either and how it's not as straightforward, bit you've moved on from that now.

Keep posting. They still don't have the carriages to for the demand. Overcrowding and delays are inevitable. Moaning about it on here won't change that.

Your first paragraph says so much about why the world is such a divided place these days, why can’t you just click on the link i posted? People won’t think any less of you if you do.

Mind you, I see you’re now saying that the lack of rolling stock is only part of the reason for the overcrowding, so that’s some progress - you are acknowledging that there are other reasons.

As for carriage swapping, I suggested a novel approach (allocate a train to the same line for a whole day) which would mean that there would be no need for any swapping which you ignored.

I’ve admitted that there will be overcrowding and delays - there were when I travelled to games just before Christmas in 2018 and 2019, but the point you can’t appreciate because you weren’t there was that Saturday was exceptional in my experience, although, based on the links about what happened the previous weekend, it may be becoming the norm.

[dembethewarrior]

Re: Train travel yesterday.

Your first paragraph says so much about why the world is such a divided place these days, why can’t you just click on the link i posted? People won’t think any less of you if you do.

Mind you, I see you’re now saying that the lack of rolling stock is only part of the reason for the overcrowding, so that’s some progress - you are acknowledging that there are other reasons.

As for carriage swapping, I suggested a novel approach (allocate a train to the same line for a whole day) which would mean that there would be no need for any swapping which you ignored.

I’ve admitted that there will be overcrowding and delays - there were when I travelled to games just before Christmas in 2018 and 2019, but the point you can’t appreciate because you weren’t there was that Saturday was exceptional in my experience, although, based on the links about what happened the previous weekend, it may be becoming the norm.

I have always said that was the problem. Read the thread bob.

You told mw what the link was, pictures of overcrowding. I am not dividing the world by not clicking on it, that's rather dramatic even by ccmb standards.

I didn't ignore it, I said maybe someone else in an office somewhere has an idea of why they can't..

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Train travel yesterday.

I have always said that was the problem. Read the thread bob.

You told mw what the link was, pictures of overcrowding. I am not dividing the world by not clicking on it, that's rather dramatic even by ccmb standards.

But why won’t you click on it? Now that seem bonkers to me.

I’ve finished with this thread for now anyway - too much like banging your head against a brick wall.

[dembethewarrior]

Re: Train travel yesterday.

But why won’t you click on it? Now that seem bonkers to me.

I’ve finished with this thread for now anyway - too much like banging your head against a brick wall.

I don't know why I need to, you've told me it's overcrowding. You've literally told me what I am going to see when I click the link.

So my answer about the person, trained, in an office, that knows best about how to utilise the stock on routes was satisfactory and you are now done with the thread that makes me happy because I can now leave the thread too.

[chrisp_1927]

Re: Train travel yesterday.

How can they cope better if they don't have the carriages to fit demand. They aren't built yet

I'm starting to think you're just on a wind up now