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Verstappen shut out by Mercedes on grid after error.
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Verstappen shut out by Mercedes on grid after error.
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All over this today. Lots of Verstappen fans saying Lewis is lucky that Max made a mistake, totally missing the fact that the key to being great is not making mistakes when the pressure's on -
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This race is madComment
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Its been crazy, can Hamilton get past him?Comment
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Not if safety cars keep happening at this rateOriginally posted by Jimmy the Jock View PostComment
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This track is dangerous !Comment
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It's a horrible circuit, but what a race and season. In the immortal words of Murray Walker 'Anything happens in Grand Prix racing, and it usually does'.Originally posted by G rangetown Blue View PostComment
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Absolute madness, congratulations to the drivers for keeping calm in the interviews.
Unlike Toto Wolff & Christian Horner.
All square with one race to go.Comment
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Verstappen given a ten second penalty. Not for the next race, but for this one.
Most pointless penalty ever as it changes nothing.Comment
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What's the bet that Verstappen takes Hamilton out on SundayComment
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he's a fierce competitor, so he'll be doing everything he can to win.Originally posted by delmbox View Post
if the shoe was on the other foot Hamilton may well do the sameComment
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I thought it was nailed on that there was going to be a coming together yesterday!Originally posted by delmbox View Post
Not a F1 expert, but there was a lot about that race that I didn't understand.
Firstly, why that course was designed as it was. Much of it was enclosed. Whenever there was a crash on the track, the damaged cars could not be driven off or end up off the circuit. It was bound to be a stop/go race lasting for 2+ hours. This had implications for tyre wear apart from wrecking the race as a spectacle. I guess money has spoken here - but who passed the design and why didn't the drivers refuse to drive on the course? If the potential results are obvious to a dullard like me, why did this race even take place?
When there was the first time-out and Verstappen didn't pit, it seemed unfair that he was on pole for the resumption when he was about three seconds behind Hamilton when racing.
The penalties levied on Verstappen didn't fit the crimes and certainly were no deterrent.
It was crazy that one driver was told to let another pass and that the other driver was not informed (presumably due to a technical hitch). Surely there should be some rules about how the pass should happen (ie slow down and move over. Do not brake) Hamilton could easily have ploughed right into the back of the RedBull and been killed.
And this business about tactics and DRS - waiting until just before DRS was going to be applied before slowing down. Madness.
It's prolly all down to economics....:-)Comment
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Logic would indicate that street circuits are regularly "enclosed" - see Monaco. The circuit was designed the way it was to be a fast, technical circuit with little to no margin for error. Too many circuits these days have wide runoff areas meaning no penalties for mistakes.
The only implication on tyre wear would be that wear would be reduced by the stop-starts.
Logic indicates it's perfectly fair Verstappen was at the front after the first incident. Hamilton and others chose to pit stop; no mandatory pit stop was present, Verstappen already having pitted and been on the second compound.
Penalties have been applied haphazardly all season yet no complaints made on soft penalties against Hamilton.
Mercedes knew Max was giving the place back, Ron Meadows acknowledged he was in the process of telling Lewis. That's on Mercedes. Lewis however lied on the radio, he was not "brake tested"; Verstappen dropped gear to 3rd as did Hamilton. Hamilton was entirely at fault - if Max's car had broken down he'd have safely got past, there was plenty of room.
Hamilton simply didn't want to take the place ahead of the DNS detection zone, knowing Max would then have DRS. Hamilton also knew that if he were to go into the back of Verstappen, chances were he'd have wing damage, Verstappen may have gearbox problems as a result. The incident was cyncial.Comment
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Apparently it happened once before , if Verstappen takes out Hamilton they reckon he will get a points deduction and lose the championship .Originally posted by Rjk View Post
Brings the sport into disrepute. I watched the program after the actual race for a while , they were looking at all the possibilities.Comment
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I'm grateful for your comments - helped clear up my points.
I'd just add, the commentators spoke about the unusual length it took for the race to be completed. With more incidents, it could easily have been far longer. Is that acceptable? How many of the 50 laps were actually spent racing?
Re: tyre wear. It is pertinent as the possibility was often mentioned that Verstappen would have to pit for a tyre change, whereas not racing for several laps reduced his tyre wear.
"Verstappen already having pitted and been on the second compound." Don't think MV had pitted in the race at that point. I've checked.
I am a little bewildered by the last sentence. Hamilton worked all that out in a split second? How could he have known the extent of the damage he would incur?
And I'm also bewildered by your comments about Hamilton when after the incident and investigation by the stewards after the race and Verstappen was found to blame and given a 10-second penalty and two penalty points on his licence.
I guess I just don't have a clue about F1 racing.Comment
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