FACup draw an embarrassment.

[Rjk]

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I remember when men were men and those men were, err, Bert Millichip and Graham Kelly.

what woman could possibly hope to match the raw charisma of Graham Kelly? he just has the aura of a competent administrator that was so captivating on television.

[dembethewarrior]

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please help, my masculinity is so fragile I done think it can tolerate a women reading out numbers on the TV.

My masculinity can take it, I think for some it's the reasons behind the woment on the TV its just a token gesture, pandering whatever you want to call it. There was nothing wrong with it, why change it etc.

That Alex Scott tries way way too hard as well, microanalysis on throw ins and overly explaining way too much. Trying to prove herself. I think it's stupid to have them, I wouldn't say it angers me in any way now, or my fragile masculinity can't deal with it, I just don't see the point in them.

Was the same with Lions coverage, commentary team usually all ex lions unless I am mistaken? Why do they feel the need to add a women's International that has played test rugby but not been on a lions tour? The other blokes are all ex lions, at this rate they may as well have any ex test International on there.from the blokes too, isn't the whole point because they have a history with the lions and how it all works etc. Then they slap her bang in the middle of them. Things like that ARE pointless, it is definitely about being inclusive, PC all the rest of it and pandering.

[dembethewarrior]

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Ivor the sexist moron

Read my post am I a moron too?

[Rjk]

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Read my post am I a moron too?

that boat sailed a long time ago

[Bluebirdman Of Alcathays]

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My masculinity can take it, I think for some it's the reasons behind the woment on the TV its just a token gesture, pandering whatever you want to call it. There was nothing wrong with it, why change it etc.

That Alex Scott tries way way too hard as well, microanalysis on throw ins and overly explaining way too much. Trying to prove herself. I think it's stupid to have them, I wouldn't say it angers me in any way now, or my fragile masculinity can't deal with it, I just don't see the point in them.

Was the same with Lions coverage, commentary team usually all ex lions unless I am mistaken? Why do they feel the need to add a women's International that has played test rugby but not been on a lions tour? The other blokes are all ex lions, at this rate they may as well have any ex test International on there.from the blokes too, isn't the whole point because they have a history with the lions and how it all works etc. Then they slap her bang in the middle of them. Things like that ARE pointless, it is definitely about being inclusive, PC all the rest of it and pandering.

Inclusivity isn't necessarily pointless though. Nothing wrong with getting a woman to do what Mark Pougatch or Mark Chapman or even Lineker does. Women like football too, maybe they like seeing someone of their own sex there instead of a sausage fest (or maybe they're not bothered - women rarely talk to me) and perhaps it brings out a different response in the pundits. I don't watch Football Focus but Alex Scott will get better in time like so many men have been allowed to.

I take your point regarding experience of a particular event but if you take that logic further then, for instance, anyone who hasn't played in the Champions League Final can't analyse one. Also, I thought Jayne Ludlow during the Euros was one of the best pundits so it's really just about getting good, articulate people in place, and that's not always done right whether they're male or female.

Having said that, they just need to bring back Graham Kelly drinking diet Pepsi in his vest and his sweat dripping while he fumbles with the velvet bag if they want to get the birds watching.

[NYCBlue]

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There'll be a woman king next. There should be a name for that.

[Des Parrot]

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There'll be a woman king next. There should be a name for that.

There was once a female prime minister (or two), which doesn’t go down to well on this board either!

[dembethewarrior]

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that boat sailed a long time ago

Uncalled for.

[Citizen's Nephew]

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My masculinity can take it, I think for some it's the reasons behind the woment on the TV its just a token gesture, pandering whatever you want to call it. There was nothing wrong with it, why change it etc.

That Alex Scott tries way way too hard as well, microanalysis on throw ins and overly explaining way too much. Trying to prove herself. I think it's stupid to have them, I wouldn't say it angers me in any way now, or my fragile masculinity can't deal with it, I just don't see the point in them.

Was the same with Lions coverage, commentary team usually all ex lions unless I am mistaken? Why do they feel the need to add a women's International that has played test rugby but not been on a lions tour? The other blokes are all ex lions, at this rate they may as well have any ex test International on there.from the blokes too, isn't the whole point because they have a history with the lions and how it all works etc. Then they slap her bang in the middle of them. Things like that ARE pointless, it is definitely about being inclusive, PC all the rest of it and pandering.

My masculinity can take it

....then 1,053 characters that says otherwise.

it is definitely about being inclusive

....like that's a bad thing?

[dembethewarrior]

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....then 1,053 characters that says otherwise.

....like that's a bad thing?

Read my points about the woman lions presenter...

[Mr Soul '68]

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Get the women out of it. They are devaluing this great competition. Anyone can read facts off a chart. What’s it doing on ITV 4 ? Get the women off the screen and stick it back where it all started for me- Monday lunchtimes on the radio. It was much more exciting. And no women involved.

I agree matey! Whatever next eh? Women to have the vote and allowed to drive cars? What is the world coming to??

[Citizen's Nephew]

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Read my points about the woman lions presenter...

I just don't agree with you Demb. I love Alex Scott and her enthusiasm (as opposed to miserable old git male ex players like Keane & Souness). The world's moved on. Inclusivity is essential and shouldn't be threatening. There are plenty of other groups that aren't included enough e.g. disabled sportspeople. I'd quite like to see people like myself represented more too. If Stephen Hawking had been a Cardiff City supporter would we have dissed his opinion on Football Focus because he'd never played the game? It's all about getting out of comfort zones and embracing different points of view.

[dembethewarrior]

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I just don't agree with you Demb. I love Alex Scott and her enthusiasm (as opposed to miserable old git male ex players like Keane & Souness). The world's moved on. Inclusivity is essential and shouldn't be threatening. There are plenty of other groups that aren't included enough e.g. disabled sportspeople. I'd quite like to see people like myself represented more too. If Stephen Hawking had been a Cardiff City supporter would we have dissed his opinion on Football Focus because he'd never played the game? It's all about getting out of comfort zones and embracing different points of view.

Womans. Lions. Presenter.

[Citizen's Nephew]

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Womans. Lions. Presenter.

Every. Day. Sexism.