Cancel culture

[Croesy Blue]

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Oh and now we are back to cancel culture not existing! 🤣

I think to be honest it's back to my previous point; you don't think it exists because you don't experience it. But others do and others in the industry itself say it is an issue.

Maybe you should listen to them a bit. It's possible you aren't always right.

Yet we haven’t seen one decent example posted to this thread of it actually happening.

Cancel culture doesn’t exist it’s just Twitter bollocks being blown out of proportion as usual.

[Croesy Blue]

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You can't 'sack' a comedian.

Why not they work on tv shows and stuff don’t they? I think you’re being needlessly pedantic now.

[JamesWales]

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Yet we haven’t seen one decent example posted to this thread of it actually happening.

Cancel culture doesn’t exist it’s just Twitter bollocks being blown out of proportion as usual.

Yes there have been. And I've explained how the term (which I have said is overblown imo) can mean someone being completely cancelled (very rare) but more often may mean a small number of events cancelled (more common) but can also mean someone having to amend their act for fear of offending the easily offended and intolerant minority (more common still though unknown how prevalent.

I don't know why you pretend there aren't people out there who don't try to get events cancelled because they don't like someone's perfectly legal views.

It clearly happens, its prevelence may be questioned but it happens an do it's bellends who do it and if you tolerate it it may be 'your comedy' that is next.

[delmbox]

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Agreed.

Like I said I'm not condoning any actions all I am saying that there IS a line and people are trying to manipulate the line.

My examples are on the extreme side but i'm just giving examples.

But this idea of an all prevailing wave of cancel culture that kills careers is a complete fallacy. The only person I can think of in recent memory who's career has actually been killed is Harvey Weinstein, and that's with good, criminal, reason.

The others mentioned:

JK Rowiing - Her books sold were up 10.9% last year
Louis CK - Still touring
Roy Chubby Brown - Still touring
Jim Davidson - Still touring
John Cleese - Got a documentary out

"Cancel Culture" is just people telling you that they think you're an arsehole, usually when you've behaved like one. Students protesting against certain performers has always happened, I remember Dapper Laughs getting a tour cancelled about 10 years ago for saying some dodgy stuff about rape, no one complained about cancel culture then because certain elements of the media hadn't decided they wanted to construct a moral panic about it yet. Reminds me of that period in the 90's when the media decided that road rage was everywhere, and you felt like you couldn't get into a car without being in danger of someone going for you. Road rage hasn't gone away since then, it just never existed in the way they made it seem.

Twitter etc makes it seem like there's a huge groundswell of opinion and someone's getting "cancelled" but the reality is it's just a few thousand people making a noise for a short period of time, same as most protests. Truth is most of the people who talk about being cancelled just aren't relevant anymore, there's plenty of comedians doing edgy stuff but it works because it's funny.

As mentioned before, see South Park and It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia for two prime, modern examples of shows that say the most awful stuff but are loved and keep getting made.

[Croesy Blue]

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Very succinct post Delm :thumbup:

[JamesWales]

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I agree, that's a good post making some good points and puts it in context, especially in respect of it being nothing new, and that twitter and the media do amplify things.

I don't think we should pretend there is nothing happening - comedians are telling us that it exists and we do see some examples of universities etc seeking to cancel speakers, which I think should be pushed back against.

But, as I happily said when I made my first point, I do think its overblown and fundementally is nothing new.

I'm now off to get pissed, so I am cancelling you all and wish you all a very happy christmas eve eve

[Doucas]

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Speaking of cancel culture haven't right wingers got a long history of trying to ban books, music and video games?

[WJ99mobile]

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But this idea of an all prevailing wave of cancel culture that kills careers is a complete fallacy. The only person I can think of in recent memory who's career has actually been killed is Harvey Weinstein, and that's with good, criminal, reason.

The others mentioned:

JK Rowiing - Her books sold were up 10.9% last year
Louis CK - Still touring
Roy Chubby Brown - Still touring
Jim Davidson - Still touring
John Cleese - Got a documentary out

"Cancel Culture" is just people telling you that they think you're an arsehole, usually when you've behaved like one. Students protesting against certain performers has always happened, I remember Dapper Laughs getting a tour cancelled about 10 years ago for saying some dodgy stuff about rape, no one complained about cancel culture then because certain elements of the media hadn't decided they wanted to construct a moral panic about it yet. Reminds me of that period in the 90's when the media decided that road rage was everywhere, and you felt like you couldn't get into a car without being in danger of someone going for you. Road rage hasn't gone away since then, it just never existed in the way they made it seem.

Twitter etc makes it seem like there's a huge groundswell of opinion and someone's getting "cancelled" but the reality is it's just a few thousand people making a noise for a short period of time, same as most protests. Truth is most of the people who talk about being cancelled just aren't relevant anymore, there's plenty of comedians doing edgy stuff but it works because it's funny.

As mentioned before, see South Park and It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia for two prime, modern examples of shows that say the most awful stuff but are loved and keep getting made.

Good post.

It happens on both ends of the spetrum and all in between.

Ben Shapiro has said numerous times where he had to have security due to people trying to stop his appearances. I wouldn't say Ben Shapiro is evil enough to be cancelled but people do try. I'm actually on the side of Crosey slightly. I dont want to see the wrong people succeed.

I think it just comes down to 'Just be nice to people'.

[Elwood Blues]

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Cancel culture is a right-wing myth. They didn't seem to have a problem with it when they were burning Beatles records.

THis chap obviously has no idea what he is talking about then......

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/31/us/politics/obama-woke-cancel-culture.html

[Elwood Blues]

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THis chap obviously has no idea what he is talking about then......

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/31/u...l-culture.html

Or this bloke either

https://paradoxpolitics.com/2021/02/noam-chomsky-cancel-culture-harpers-letter/

[Croesy Blue]

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Good post.

It happens on both ends of the spetrum and all in between.

Ben Shapiro has said numerous times where he had to have security due to people trying to stop his appearances. I wouldn't say Ben Shapiro is evil enough to be cancelled but people do try. I'm actually on the side of Crosey slightly. I dont want to see the wrong people succeed.

I think it just comes down to 'Just be nice to people'.

Please tell me you don’t listen to that **** Ben Shapiro.

It does come down to be nice to people and he’s the complete opposite of that.

[WJ99mobile]

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Please tell me you don’t listen to that **** Ben Shapiro.

It does come down to be nice to people and he’s the complete opposite of that.

I've listened to him a few times on the Joe Rogan show and he's a good listen whether you agree with him or not

[Doucas]

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I've listened to him a few times on the Joe Rogan show and he's a good listen whether you agree with him or not

Oh dear, he's an idiot exhibit A - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRF3r3zUGqk

You lose all credibility when you bring him up.

[Elwood Blues]

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Please tell me you don’t listen to that **** Ben Shapiro.

It does come down to be nice to people and he’s the complete opposite of that.

I used to like Helen Shapiro

[Citizen's Nephew]

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But this idea of an all prevailing wave of cancel culture that kills careers is a complete fallacy. The only person I can think of in recent memory who's career has actually been killed is Harvey Weinstein, and that's with good, criminal, reason.

The others mentioned:

JK Rowiing - Her books sold were up 10.9% last year
Louis CK - Still touring
Roy Chubby Brown - Still touring
Jim Davidson - Still touring
John Cleese - Got a documentary out

"Cancel Culture" is just people telling you that they think you're an arsehole, usually when you've behaved like one. Students protesting against certain performers has always happened, I remember Dapper Laughs getting a tour cancelled about 10 years ago for saying some dodgy stuff about rape, no one complained about cancel culture then because certain elements of the media hadn't decided they wanted to construct a moral panic about it yet. Reminds me of that period in the 90's when the media decided that road rage was everywhere, and you felt like you couldn't get into a car without being in danger of someone going for you. Road rage hasn't gone away since then, it just never existed in the way they made it seem.

Twitter etc makes it seem like there's a huge groundswell of opinion and someone's getting "cancelled" but the reality is it's just a few thousand people making a noise for a short period of time, same as most protests. Truth is most of the people who talk about being cancelled just aren't relevant anymore, there's plenty of comedians doing edgy stuff but it works because it's funny.

As mentioned before, see South Park and It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia for two prime, modern examples of shows that say the most awful stuff but are loved and keep getting made.

:xmasthumbup: