Omicron No more than a cold ?

[Citizen's Nephew]

Re: Omicron No more than a cold ?

I don't have an agenda or view on this. I was curious and looked up the data. That is all. Honestly, I was surprised the UK has a higher ratio of medics per capita.

Having lived in France, I'd say the poster child for medics per capita in Europe would be there.

I don't think you have an agenda and I was surprised too until I saw the spike. I agree with France too. I used to work a lot in France and closely with their medical services and have been impressed.

[az city]

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Lifesite-**** me Mozz, they're far right loonies with form for making shit up. You love these far right conspiracy websites.

The Statens Serum Institut is legit. Are their figures quoted in the piece fictitious?

[az city]

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I don't think you have an agenda and I was surprised too until I saw the spike. I agree with France too. I used to work a lot in France and closely with their medical services and have been impressed.

The UK data point for around 2000 is certainly odd. Was that when nurse practitioner roles were created?

[Citizen's Nephew]

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The UK data point for around 2000 is certainly odd. Was that when nurse practitioner roles were created?

Bingo! I think you've solved the

[az city]

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OK, I'm not picking on you or your posts, it's just that the quote really annoys me. What does it actually mean? How does it translate into numbers requiring hospital care? The weasel-word phrases like 'likely lead...' don't help. We may as well stop all treatments and divert resources in medical facilities when there's ice on the motorways as this is more likely to cause pile-ups and swamp A&E.

I am just pointing out that there are two fundamental unknowns at the moment: Omicron's transmissibility and severity. I know epidemiologists are struggling to figure out how many severe cases (requiring hospitalization) are likely to present in the near future based on those two factors.

If you like things in terms of numbers take a group of 100 people. (Ignore the following if you already get this.)

Suppose, just for illustration, Delta caused 20 infections next week and 1 in 20 Delta infections is severe. We'd have 1 ill person from the group of 100.

Now suppose Omicron caused 60 infections next week but only 1 in 30 cases with Omicron are severe. We'd still have 2 cases in the 100. Things would be worse.

[MOZZER2]

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Whichever government runs this country for the next 10/20 years we really need to invest in the nhs, more doctors, nurses, hospitals etc…the amount we have compared to a country like Germany is woeful…..

well another worry for the medical profession is the mandate in England that customer facing roles within the NHS will all need to be fully vaccinated by April the 1;st 2022 , Depending on the news outlet you read currently that stands at between 80,000 to 120,000 front line NHS staff in England .Not sure that applies in Wales at the minute ?

[Citizen's Nephew]

Re: Omicron No more than a cold ?

I am just pointing out that there are two fundamental unknowns at the moment: Omicron's transmissibility and severity. I know epidemiologists are struggling to figure out how many severe cases (requiring hospitalization) are likely to present in the near future based on those two factors.

If you like things in terms of numbers take a group of 100 people. (Ignore the following if you already get this.)

Suppose, just for illustration, Delta caused 20 infections next week and 1 in 20 Delta infections is severe. We'd have 1 ill person from the group of 100.

Now suppose Omicron caused 60 infections next week but only 1 in 30 cases with Omicron are severe. We'd still have 2 cases in the 100. Things would be worse.

I get it and it's exactly right. I'd like to think there was an algorithm that our leaders have at their disposal that translates these hypotheses into logistics/resource management data before they make decisions. I do know, from speaking to the medical staff at UHW that there is misinformation regarding the effect of Covid on resources right now and that various directives issues are diverting staff from key specialties to frontline A&E for minimal gain.

[Tuerto]

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The Statens Serum Institut is legit. Are their figures quoted in the piece fictitious?

I have looked at the figures and struggled to work them out in all honesty. Denmark has seen a rise in Omicron, that's for sure, although only 1 in 4 have had their booster jab, and according to an Article in the Washington Post, those who have had the booster jab are less likely to get the Omicron variant.

[life on mars]

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Legacy decesions perhaps??


"" 2015 eport found that all four nations made major improvements in their NHS during the 2000s, and no one country was consistently ahead or lagging behind the others.

However, while health spending slowed since 2010 in all countries, Wales was the only place to reduce its health budget in real terms.*Health*spending in Wales fell by 4.3% between 2009/10 and 2012/13. But ministers agreed to put in more money during 2014-15 and 2015-16 in order to reverse this trend.""

Mr Drakeford was Health Minister

[Whisperer]

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I have looked at the figures and struggled to work them out in all honesty. Denmark has seen a rise in Omicron, that's for sure, although only 1 in 4 have had their booster jab, and according to an Article in the Washington Post, those who have had the booster jab are less likely to get the Omicron variant.

In my household - My son is double jabbed (got Covid) Me and the Mrs triple jabbed all clear. So Far.

[Citizen's Nephew]

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Regarding Omicron Denmark currently has one of the top infection rates in the world and the second highest Omicron rate in Europe, behind the U.K., which has similar vaccination levels and an even higher booster rate.

The double-vaccinated accounted for more than 14,000 of 17,767 Omicron infections recorded in Denmark since the country’s first reported case on November 22.

looking at stats from denmark looks grim reading when it comes to seeing how effective vaccines are . see reports

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/shock-data-90-percent-of-omicron-cases-in-denmark-are-vaccinated/

https://meaninginhistory.substack.co...micron-telling

But if you're vaccinated in order to protect you from a virus (any virus) do you in all honesty expect to never contract that virus or do you expect to have greater protection and immunity which reduces the likelihood of serious illness? If it's the former, then that's not how immune systems work and it's wrong to just focus on the numbers of vaccinated positives which is where there's a lot of confusion.

[Tuerto]

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But if you're vaccinated in order to protect you from a virus (any virus) do you in all honesty expect to never contract that virus or do you expect to have greater protection and immunity which reduces the likelihood of serious illness? If it's the former, then that's not how immune systems work and it's wrong to just focus on the numbers of vaccinated positives which is where there's a lot of confusion.

That's the way i see it from what i have read and with my ability to understand the information at hand. The Vaccination is not a cure, it doesn't mean that we wont still catch Covid in whatever form it is. What it does mean is that with a Vaccination we are more protected from serious illness, and with the booster, it gives us even more protection. That's my take on it.

[Citizen's Nephew]

Re: Omicron No more than a cold ?

That's the way i see it from what i have read and with my ability to understand the information at hand. The Vaccination is not a cure, it doesn't mean that we wont still catch Covid in whatever form it is. What it does mean is that with a Vaccination we are more protected from serious illness, and with the booster, it gives us even more protection. That's my take on it.

The problem arises with variants as in the case of Covid 19 and the need for boosters as in seasonal flu jabs. Rapidly mutating viruses like Covid are going to require regular boosters. This feeds into the planning of resources stuff I was talking about earlier. We're not doing it. Where's the money going to come from? Will boosters continue to be free (I cannot see how they can be). What's the plan for a more virulent variant? It's about time politicians i.e. governments started dealing with this. We have supply chain issues now, distribution problems now. Focusing on the vaccine and one area of healthcare support i.e. Covid is not enough. Serious logistical problems have to be resolved if we're going to live with this and keep the economy going from healthcare staff to the HGV drivers delivering medications.

I'm already seeing shortages of key medications and supply chain problems in pharma manufacturing (and yes, a lot of it is down to Brexit). I stay up-to-date even though I'm not on the frontline supply chain anymore.

[goats]

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I have looked at the figures and struggled to work them out in all honesty. Denmark has seen a rise in Omicron, that's for sure, although only 1 in 4 have had their booster jab, and according to an Article in the Washington Post, those who have had the booster jab are less likely to get the Omicron variant.

But if symptoms are mild anyway, does it matter if they’ve had any jab with omicron? Does it mainly infect vaccinated people or is that just playing out in % of the population anyway?

[MOZZER2]

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This virus hits different people in different ways.
My daughter and I had covin last Jan - I thought it was just a winter cold, my daughter had it only slightly worse.
But her boyfriend also had it, and started to have trouble breathing, was on the verge of going into hospital before he started recovering.
There were a load of hospital admissions back then and deaths were mounting up.
Yes, the omicron mutation appears to be less serious, but people have died with it.
But while seemingly having less serious symptoms, it seems to be far more transmittable - and a high trandmission rate means it is more likely to mutate further - into what? 80% fatality maybe?
We'd all be thanking Duckford for his cautious approach then.
We need EVERYBODY to get vaccinated to stop this- and that means "third world" countries, as well as the UK, or further mutations are inevitable, and one of those mutations could be the nightmare that effectively ends civilisation.


Rant over.

yes i agree effects people in different ways

I had it last month and luckily had sod all wrong with me just aching limbs for 1 day a bit sleepy and a slight sore throat . had to isolate for 10 days and didn't see a single soul for 12 days . Not complaining as lots of people have it alot worse

as for everyone to get vaccinated worldwide i feel thats a tall order but to say to end civilisation is a bit extreme .

There are some countries dealing with it better than others check out Japan for example

The biggest cruise ship in the world royal caribbean grandeur a few days ago had 55 cases of covid on board out of a total of fully vaccinated 6,000 people according to the cruise line .

How can a fully vaccinated population get any covid positives if everyone on board is vaccinated and tested before boarding ? I don't get it

i won't post a link as i will get accused of all sorts . google it yourself