The stark reality facing Wales' Jewish community

[Jordi Culé]

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Make a great club or live band venue.

Like the old Miners Hall (Charbonniers)?

[Organ Morgan.]

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There used to be a Jewish owned bra and knickers making factory up the valleys

God bless em

By Jove, you never miss an opportunity to lower the tone of every discussion you poke your long hooter into. You really are an incorrigible rogue.

A reminder that I will be visiting you tomorrow morning. Be assured that I will be quick to remind you of Leicester City's latest game along with the result of yesterday evening's Brentford versus Man City encounter.

[truthpaste]

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Great read .

Religion does appear in decline in Cardiff outside of Islam and Catholicism in Cardiff .

Let religion die ASAP - and all other man made fables of false hope.

On the other hand while around 95% of the population don't know the difference between religion and actual Christianity, the latter is thriving in Cardiff and many other parts of Wales and the UK.

As for the Jewish people, yes they are mainly returning back to their Land as has always been the plan......

‘This is what the Sovereign LORD says: I will gather you from the nations and bring you back from the countries where you have been scattered, and I will give you back the land of Israel again.’ - Ezekiel 11:17

[Tuerto]

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Let religion die ASAP - and all other man made fables of false hope.

On the other hand while around 95% of the population don't know the difference between religion and actual Christianity, the latter is thriving in Cardiff and many other parts of Wales and the UK.

As for the Jewish people, yes they are mainly returning back to their Land as has always been the plan......

‘This is what the Sovereign LORD says: I will gather you from the nations and bring you back from the countries where you have been scattered, and I will give you back the land of Israel again.’ - Ezekiel 11:17

That's that one sorted then.

[Rjk]

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Let religion die ASAP - and all other man made fables of false hope.

On the other hand while around 95% of the population don't know the difference between religion and actual Christianity, the latter is thriving in Cardiff and many other parts of Wales and the UK.

As for the Jewish people, yes they are mainly returning back to their Land as has always been the plan......

‘This is what the Sovereign LORD says: I will gather you from the nations and bring you back from the countries where you have been scattered, and I will give you back the land of Israel again.’ - Ezekiel 11:17

"my personal beliefs are not some silly religion, they are the truth"

[Canton Kev]

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"my personal beliefs are not some silly religion, they are the truth"

Well obviously. All the hundreds of other world religions are a bunch of hokey pokey nonsense but MY religion is a sure fire thing. They wrote a book on it you know :shrug:

[life on mars]

Re: The stark reality facing Wales' Jewish community

Let religion die ASAP - and all other man made fables of false hope.

On the other hand while around 95% of the population don't know the difference between religion and actual Christianity, the latter is thriving in Cardiff and many other parts of Wales and the UK.

As for the Jewish people, yes they are mainly returning back to their Land as has always been the plan......

‘This is what the Sovereign LORD says: I will gather you from the nations and bring you back from the countries where you have been scattered, and I will give you back the land of Israel again.’ - Ezekiel 11:17

As for the Jewish people, yes they are mainly returning back to their Land as has always been the plan.. ( and can you blame them there is so much hatred of them , even in 2022 )

This is cracking read Jews Don’t Count https://www.amazon.co.uk/Untitled-Da.../dp/0008399476

[jon1959]

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As for the Jewish people, yes they are mainly returning back to their Land as has always been the plan.. ( and can you blame them there is so much hatred of them , even in 2022 )

This is cracking read Jews Don’t Count https://www.amazon.co.uk/Untitled-Da.../dp/0008399476

What 'plan' is that?

Are we back to the literal 'truth' of the Old Testament again?

And are you now tying your cart to the Truthpaste world view - all in for the 'title deeds given by GOD', ethnic cleansing and apartheid?

[Dorcus]

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What 'plan' is that?

Are we back to the literal 'truth' of the Old Testament again?

And are you now tying your cart to the Truthpaste world view - all in for the 'title deeds given by GOD', ethnic cleansing and apartheid?

G-D, don't forget the tetragrammaton Jon.

[truthpaste]

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What 'plan' is that?

Are we back to the literal 'truth' of the Old Testament again?

And are you now tying your cart to the Truthpaste world view - all in for the 'title deeds given by GOD', ethnic cleansing and apartheid?

As soon as you use the word LITERAL you betray your misreading of the entire subject.

Also re personal opinions including mine, they will have no impact on what has been written for millenia.
It is written, it is happening, and as ever most will not appreciate what is taking place or wish to heed the warning.

[Dorcus]

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I'm currently engaged in learning how to read the Hebrew Bible in an attempt to discover the earliest reasoning behind the Scriptures.

I'm at a very early stage indeed and very much a novice but instantly I have become fascinated by the different interpretation of some passages in the Koine Greek translation from the original Aramaic.

As I'm still at an early stage perhaps I could start with Genesis. The original Hebrew word is bereshiyt meaning summit but was translated into beginning by the Greeks. This might sound trivial to the casual observer but as one particular Hebrew Bible scholar has pointed out that because the contemporary Aramaic speakers at that time had an entirely different notion of space and time to ourselves the translation as "beginning' might prove problematic. This particular scholar preferred the translation as "summit" and considers it to denote transcendence rather than first cause.

I only mention this because it's becoming increasingly clear to me how difficult it is to rely upon the word by word accuracy of a series of documents which have been translated into Latin, then English and by now into just about every other language on Earth.

Is there no room for questioning the literal meaning of an admittedly great work which has been subjected to so much human interpretation?

[Taunton Blue Genie]

Re: The stark reality facing Wales' Jewish community

I'm currently engaged in learning how to read the Hebrew Bible in an attempt to discover the earliest reasoning behind the Scriptures.

I'm at a very early stage indeed and very much a novice but instantly I have become fascinated by the different interpretation of some passages in the Koine Greek translation from the original Aramaic.

As I'm still at an early stage perhaps I could start with Genesis. The original Hebrew word is bereshiyt meaning summit but was translated into beginning by the Greeks. This might sound trivial to the casual observer but as one particular Hebrew Bible scholar has pointed out that because the contemporary Aramaic speakers at that time had an entirely different notion of space and time to ourselves the translation as "beginning' might prove problematic. This particular scholar preferred the translation as "summit" and considers it to denote transcendence rather than first cause.

I only mention this because it's becoming increasingly clear to me how difficult it is to rely upon the word by word accuracy of a series of documents which have been translated into Latin, then English and by now into just about every other language on Earth.

Is there no room for questioning the literal meaning of an admittedly great work which has been subjected to so much human interpretation?

Indeed. Holy books were written by man (or men, to be more precise) collated, compiled, edited and translated by man - and based on little evidence that can be verified and is often contradictory. (Very few believers really look beyond the current version of their holy books).
In many cases, the stories and parables were lifted from previous religions and folklore. Religions are a fascinating subject but the vast majority of aderents to any particular flavour would have believed in another deity or deities had they been born in a different culture/social setting/other point in the history of mankind (and let's not forget that Christianity/Abrahamism is a very recent phenomenon considering that Homo Sapiens have supposedly been around for 300,000 years.
The world's major religions came about when people were mainly illiterate and had very little understanding of science - and yet some people living in an age when we know about atoms, the universe, bacteria, gravity and advanced medical science seem to think that unverified folklore has all the answers. It's a hell of a tribute to childhood indoctrination.

[truthpaste]

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Indeed. Holy books were written by man (or men, to be more precise) collated, compiled, edited and translated by man - and based on little evidence that can be verified and is often contradictory. (Very few believers really look beyond the current version of their holy books).
In many cases, the stories and parables were lifted from previous religions and folklore. Religions are a fascinating subject but the vast majority of aderents to any particular flavour would have believed in another deity or deities had they been born in a different culture/social setting/other point in the history of mankind (and let's not forget that Christianity/Abrahamism is a very recent phenomenon considering that Homo Sapiens have supposedly been around for 300,000 years.
The world's major religions came about when people were mainly illiterate and had very little understanding of science - and yet some people living in an age when we know about atoms, the universe, bacteria, gravity and advanced medical science seem to think that unverified folklore has all the answers. It's a hell of a tribute to childhood indoctrination.

The last line of your tired collection of untruths reveals the actual origin of your world view.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

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The last line of your tired collection of untruths reveals the actual origin of your world view.

It's all true. A snake told me.

[truthpaste]

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It's all true. A snake told me.

Like we needed verification, his fingerprint is unmistakeable.