IF Drakeford says...

[City123]

Re: IF Drakeford says...

Not sure what you're basing this on, support for Welsh Independence has surged in the last two years

https://www.npr.org/2021/05/03/993205349/behind-the-surge-in-support-for-welsh-independence?t=1642102287294

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/welsh-independence-uk-highest-support-b1812241.html

I don't think these current restrictions would turn that on its head

This board's a bit out of step when it comes to support for devolution/independence etc

I assume it's because of the age profile

[The Lone Gunman]

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This board's a weird anomaly in many ways when it comes to support for devolution/independence etc

I'd love to know what sample of the population are involved in these polls. A genuine independence vote would be really interesting. Only then would we get a true picture and I suspect the turnout would be less than great.

[Armitage Shanks]

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Does this mean that there will be crowsds for the forest game?

[J R Hartley]

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Not sure what you're basing this on, support for Welsh Independence has surged in the last two years

https://www.npr.org/2021/05/03/993205349/behind-the-surge-in-support-for-welsh-independence?t=1642102287294

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/welsh-independence-uk-highest-support-b1812241.html

I don't think these current restrictions would turn that on its head

How many people polled? And where? Is it a large sample size across the whole country? North and South?

[J R Hartley]

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This board's a bit out of step when it comes to support for devolution/independence etc

I assume it's because of the age profile

Who says I don’t support it?

It’s just my opinion that Drakeford and his draconian
rules and dictatorship style would not have appealed to the less informed, average Welsh voter.

[City123]

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I'd love to know what sample of the population are involved in these polls. A genuine independence vote would be really interesting. Only then would we get a true picture and I suspect the turnout would be less than great.

There's a Cardiff uni blog that regularly posted the full results with demographic breakdown etc, I don't know if they still do it

I imagine people said similar in Scotland for a while and probably the same about a referendum on leaving the EU. Would turnout be low? To get to a referendum there'd have to be a strong enough level of support for it so there'd be motivation on both sides. You can point to the devolution referendums but they were small fry, especially compared to breaking away from the UK state entirely. I imagine turnout would be quite high as we saw in Scotland & with Brexit.

Does polling mean independence is around the corner? No, that was a sharp rise which I imagine is fairly soft. However there has been consistent support for greater powers for some time, it's quite surprising how quickly anti-devolution sentiment melted away.

Edit: Here's that blog: https://blogs.cardiff.ac.uk/electionsinwales/

[Michael Morris]

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Does this mean that there will be crowsds for the forest game?

Depends how bloody minded Drakeford is. He could open up a whole weekend of sport if he says from Fri Jan 28th, or piss everyone off if he says from Monday Jan 31st.

[City123]

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Who says I don’t support it?

It’s just my opinion that Drakeford and his draconian
rules and dictatorship style would not have appealed to the less informed, average Welsh voter.

I didn't mean you in particular, just the board generally

[goats]

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all good to go for the rugby six nations

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...eford-22747787

Of course…never in doubt

[The Lone Gunman]

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You can point to the devolution referendums but they were small fry, especially compared to breaking away from the UK state entirely.

And there's the rub. What percentage of the Welsh population would genuinely want to break away from the UK? I believe it would be very small. Plaid Cymru's share of the vote in Wales is consistently small - just 10% in the last general election. I think that paints a truer picture than any polls. I'm sure a reasonable percentage of people would like Wales to have a greater level of autonomy, but outright independence? I don't believe there is a widespread appetite for that despite the shambles at Westminster.

[Dave Blue]

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I’m sure it will continue to rise if we have many more English Tory governments- who are now the UKIP party by another name. They are dragging us into a banana republic.

[xsnaggle]

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I’m sure it will continue to rise if we have many more English Tory governments- who are now the UKIP party by another name. They are dragging us into a banana republic.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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Yes, drunk on power.

All along he has played politics to be different to England. Look at me, I’m calling the shots in Wales.

For all their faults, and there are way too many, at least the Tories give a shit about the economy and keeping the wheels of industry turning.

Here in Wales it’s head in the sand worrying about covid even though the vaccine has been rolled out and no thought for the economy, mental health, people missing appointments and operations for other issues.etc

Putting in illogical restrictions which are having little impact on infection but a big impact on the economy of Wales.

Nevermind it has a survival rate of 99.7% and probably higher the more we get vaccinated, let’s just do all we can to protect a tiny fraction of the population of having a few more years on an already long life whilst we ignore the damage it’s doing to our children’s futures. Teenagers and young adults will be the ones to pay for these decisions for many years to come, probably the rest of their lives.

England are now past the peak of Omnicrom, where was the big NHS collapse that Drakeford warned about? Even with all the data and all the reports from those further into the variant than we are saying it was mild he still won’t row back and lose face, blaming this variable, or that variable. I’m surprised the guy can cross the road by the time he takes into account the chances of being run over and the variables to consider.

Ironically, for all his posturing and showing Wales are independent of Westminster he’s probably set Welsh independence back decades.

Governed by the most corrupt, dishonest, shameless government on one side and Dictator Drakeford on the other. Oh what a time to be a Welshman living in Wales.

Absolutely staggering view.

And bollocks.

[J R Hartley]

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Absolutely staggering view.

And bollocks.

Crawl back under your rock you pillbug.

If it was left to the likes of you we would all be locked down and all out of a job.

[Wash DC Blue]

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Yes, drunk on power.

All along he has played politics to be different to England. Look at me, I’m calling the shots in Wales.

For all their faults, and there are way too many, at least the Tories give a shit about the economy and keeping the wheels of industry turning.

Here in Wales it’s head in the sand worrying about covid even though the vaccine has been rolled out and no thought for the economy, mental health, people missing appointments and operations for other issues.etc

Putting in illogical restrictions which are having little impact on infection but a big impact on the economy of Wales.

Nevermind it has a survival rate of 99.7% and probably higher the more we get vaccinated, let’s just do all we can to protect a tiny fraction of the population of having a few more years on an already long life whilst we ignore the damage it’s doing to our children’s futures. Teenagers and young adults will be the ones to pay for these decisions for many years to come, probably the rest of their lives.

England are now past the peak of Omnicrom, where was the big NHS collapse that Drakeford warned about? Even with all the data and all the reports from those further into the variant than we are saying it was mild he still won’t row back and lose face, blaming this variable, or that variable. I’m surprised the guy can cross the road by the time he takes into account the chances of being run over and the variables to consider.

Ironically, for all his posturing and showing Wales are independent of Westminster he’s probably set Welsh independence back decades.

Governed by the most corrupt, dishonest, shameless government on one side and Dictator Drakeford on the other. Oh what a time to be a Welshman living in Wales.

Spot on.
Same as the booze tax fiasco.