Colwill

[Citizen's Nephew]

Re: Colwill

I presume the only loans rule is enforced by the club until we know who the manager will be next season.
seeing if through Steve Morison's eyes then he has a bunch of games to try to persuade them he's the man for the job, so he's obviously going to try to play the players that showcase this style of play the best.

I get that but that's not what I meant. Surely you must see that he's slowly ditched the U23s players and is now looking at a sticking plaster approach? I agree he'll want to do what's necessary to stay manager and in that sense, he'll be as mercenary as any other. I think as fans we think players and managers are our friends. They're not. It's just a job. He doesn't give a sh*t about anyone but himself and his job. Players are just a means to an end for any manager.

[Sloop_Jon_Bee]

Re: Colwill

I think he has slowed up a bit. My theory is that after he had covid, his pace (though he is not blessed with lots of it) went missing a bit, and he had not been doing enough to get in the team. I think he would and should be used as an impact player mind, and as stated above should be on the bench at least.
Spedger

[Citizen's Nephew]

Re: Colwill

I think he has slowed up a bit. My theory is that after he had covid, his pace (though he is not blessed with lots of it) went missing a bit, and he had not been doing enough to get in the team. I think he would and should be used as an impact player mind, and as stated above should be on the bench at least.
Spedger

I agree with this. I think Covid has had a huge impact on many players. More than we care to dwell on. I agree with the impact player strategy too. It's a shame that 2-0 up against Forest Colwill wasn't on with Davies. That's my ideal situation if we're starting with loanees.

[Hilts]

Re: Colwill

I get that but that's not what I meant. Surely you must see that he's slowly ditched the U23s players and is now looking at a sticking plaster approach? I agree he'll want to do what's necessary to stay manager and in that sense, he'll be as mercenary as any other. I think as fans we think players and managers are our friends. They're not. It's just a job. He doesn't give a sh*t about anyone but himself and his job. Players are just a means to an end for any manager.

To be fair we were heading down. Yesterday was the best performance of the season. Play like that every week wed be top 10.

Its not just the young players. Flint , Nelson , Pack , Vaulks left out as well.

Davies scored the winner yesterday , McGuinness still in the team Bagan on the bench.

I do think Colwill and Harris should be on the bench though.

We have to stay up. Yesterday was the 1st time in a long time I felt confident we would do so.

[Citizen's Nephew]

Re: Colwill

To be fair we were heading down. Yesterday was the best performance of the season. Play like that every week wed be top 10.

Its not just the young players. Flint , Nelson , Pack , Vaulks left out as well.

Davies scored the winner yesterday , McGuinness still in the team Bagan on the bench.

I do think Colwill and Harris should be on the bench though.

We have to stay up. Yesterday was the 1st time in a long time I felt confident we would do so.

Maybe I'm not communicating my thoughts properly because I'm not having a go. Everything you've written I've written somewhere on here too. I agree with you. I"m probably sounding more critical than I feel. I mentioned in another post that I think our club's a mess and I stick by that. That doesn't mean I didn't enjoy the match yesterday. That doesn't mean that I'm pleased the gamble to start that eleven didn't pay off. I've also said that Forest was not prepared for that City team yesterday. They didn't know what to do. Cooper was well and truly snookered.

[Tuerto]

Re: Colwill

I think that the question we should be asking ourselves is what is his overall game like? He's good in the final third, very positive on the ball and looks to create chances, but i don't see any discussion on his ability to defend, his positional play when we aren't in possession, his decision making etc. Yes, we are all willing him to do well as he has been with us since he was a sprout, but surely we should talk about what Colwill does good and bad and whether or not the positives outweigh the negatives or the other way round.

[Citizen's Nephew]

Re: Colwill

I think that the question we should be asking ourselves is what is his overall game like? He's good in the final third, very positive on the ball and looks to create chances, but i don't see any discussion on his ability to defend, his positional play when we aren't in possession, his decision making etc. Yes, we are all willing him to do well as he has been with us since he was a sprout, but surely we should talk about what Colwill does good and bad and whether or not the positives outweigh the negatives or the other way round.

Walking on eggshells! I'd hope we (as in this board) could discuss this stuff without it being taken personally but that's sometimes hard.

[City123]

Re: Colwill

I think that the question we should be asking ourselves is what is his overall game like? He's good in the final third, very positive on the ball and looks to create chances, but i don't see any discussion on his ability to defend, his positional play when we aren't in possession, his decision making etc. Yes, we are all willing him to do well as he has been with us since he was a sprout, but surely we should talk about what Colwill does good and bad and whether or not the positives outweigh the negatives or the other way round.

I think his positioning and defensive side need work but I also think he suffered from the weird 3 man attack thing we were trying under Mick and at the start under Morison where nobody really knew where they were supposed to be, not just Colwill. under Morison, now we seem to have settled on a 3 man midfield with 2 up top which ought to make it clearer where he should be playing. I think he'd be better suited to a midfield position personally, especially as he gets older when you consider his size.

I think a lot of the frustration comes from players who put in poor performances week in week out continually getting picked whilst players like Colwill are dropped from the squad entirely despite actually showing promise, with the only reason that's apparent being he's the youngster so it's easier to drop him. What have Pack and Vaulks done to deserve being in the squad each week this season? I couldn't tell you, yet our second highest goalscorer seems to have been dropped to the u23s.

[J R Hartley]

Re: Colwill

Semantics. It’s plain for all to see Colwills game time has got progressively less under Morison, to the point he’s now not even in the match day squad.

Just what is the point in our own academy if you’re going to loan players from other teams academy’s. Must be soul destroying for these lads.

I hope they get as far away from the club as possible for their own futures.

[Tuerto]

Re: Colwill

Walking on eggshells! I'd hope we (as in this board) could discuss this stuff without it being taken personally but that's sometimes hard.

It does feel like that sometimes.

[stan butler]

Re: Colwill

I get that but that's not what I meant. Surely you must see that he's slowly ditched the U23s players and is now looking at a sticking plaster approach? I agree he'll want to do what's necessary to stay manager and in that sense, he'll be as mercenary as any other. I think as fans we think players and managers are our friends. They're not. It's just a job. He doesn't give a sh*t about anyone but himself and his job. Players are just a means to an end for any manager.

Could it be Morison has given the board a list of players he wants to bring in and they have backed him? Or is that to positive?

[Citizen's Nephew]

Re: Colwill

Could it be Morison has given the board a list of players he wants to bring in and they have backed him? Or is that to positive?

Way too positive Stan. You're trying to reason with a seasoned cynic here. I've put the years in mate!

[tforturton]

Re: Colwill

There was a lot of talk yesterday, about whether Morison had 'abandoned' the younger players, lads that he had guided through the ranks. Truth is, he's given them ten or eleven games to prove that they could get us out of a hole, and has come to the conclusion that it's not going to work. We are in desperate straits, and relegation has to be avoided at all costs. Hence bringing in players with experience. Yes, it might seem odd that we are effectively training future Premier players, instead of bringing on our own, but needs must.

We could carry on with the youth, and possibly get relegated, or, we can bring in short term help, and keep the club in the Championship. I know which I'd prefer. If we went down, there would be a lot of players offloaded, and those promising youngsters would be lost forever. In my eyes, those loanees are helping to preserve a future for our youth.

[City123]

Re: Colwill

There was a lot of talk yesterday, about whether Morison had 'abandoned' the younger players, lads that he had guided through the ranks. Truth is, he's given them ten or eleven games to prove that they could get us out of a hole, and has come to the conclusion that it's not going to work. We are in desperate straits, and relegation has to be avoided at all costs. Hence bringing in players with experience. Yes, it might seem odd that we are effectively training future Premier players, instead of bringing on our own, but needs must.

We could carry on with the youth, and possibly get relegated, or, we can bring in short term help, and keep the club in the Championship. I know which I'd prefer. If we went down, there would be a lot of players offloaded, and those promising youngsters would be lost forever. In my eyes, those loanees are helping to preserve a future for our youth.

Has he? Here's who's started 6 (around half) or more of our games under Morison

Smithies (obviously), Ng & McGuinness - 13
Nelson - 12
Giles - 10
Pack & Ralls - 9
Flint - 8
Vaulks - 7
Collins, Moore & Harris - 6

Not many of our youngsters in that list, the only one really being McGuinness who was signed this summer. Colwill started 5 but weirdly no starts since the 2-2 at Birmingham and not many minutes when has come on (12 v Blackburn, 11 v West Brom) in those 5 starts he scored at Stoke & Luton he's now not in the squad. Davies has had the main impact but mainly as a sub. Evans and Zimba have been sent out on loan, Bowen has been injured but really is nowhere to be seen. There's not even been a suggestion that he may look at one of the u23s defenders

I don't buy this "lads that he guided through the ranks" stuff, this crop of youngsters was known to be good for a while, Morison was in charge of the u23s for 18 months. Is he important? Yes. But I think he's getting a little bit more credit than he should in terms of these players' development

[Undercoverinwurzelland]

Re: Colwill

We should never had been so reliant on academy players. The way to bring them through is with appearances from the bench and the occasional start. The squad as a whole looks stronger now, and it was good to see Davies come on and score yesterday. Hopefully we'll see more of that between now and the end of the season for him, Harris, Colwill and Bagan.
Then who knows what happens in the summer.