Everton

[Canton Kev]

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Not sure Everton are considered one of the 'big six' and probably haven't been since the phrase really got pushed by Sky. That being said it'd be the biggest relegation out of the top flight ever arguably. Hope Burnley do stay up but think their time is up.

Bigger than Villa when they went down a few years back?

[Rjk]

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Burnley have stunk up the league for years, I have no desire to see them succeed. that said it would be very funny if lampard took Everton down

[the other bob wilson]

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Bigger than Villa when they went down a few years back?

Yes, I can remember Villa being in the old Third Division. I think I'm right in saying that only Arsenal have a longer top flight existence than Everton.

[splott parker]

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Bigger than Villa when they went down a few years back?

Everton have only been relegated twice, 1930s & 1950s, Villa on the other hand have, on times, been a bit of a yo yo club. No comparison.

[Mr Soul '68]

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The Geordies have ridden out the storm by buying the biggest Yacht. Frank will just about keep Everton up, they'll start poorly next season, he'll get the boot and roll back into town with Derby when Ashley buys them out. Returning under the banner of 'Unfinished Business'

Hopefully good ol' Frankie, if he goes to Derby under the banner of 'Unfinished Business' will take them out of League One...and into League Two

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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Everton have only been relegated twice, 1930s & 1950s, Villa on the other hand have, on times, been a bit of a yo yo club. No comparison.

Not sure what your definition of a yo-yo club is, but out of 123 seasons in the league since its inauguration, Villa have not been in the top flight for 15 of them. Their 108 seasons in the top division is the 2nd highest behind Everton, who've managed 119. They've been relegated from the top flight 5 times and their recent 3 season stint in the Championship was the 2nd longest they've been out of the top division since the 60s and 70s, where their 8 years included 2 seasons in Division 3, as TOBW mentioned.

Looking at my records, Arsenal have been relegated from the top division once, Liverpool 3 times, Spurs 4, Villa and Man Utd 5, Chelsea and Newcastle 6, Man City 10. Villa have played more top flight matches than anyone bar Liverpool, Arsenal and Everton.

[NYCBlue]

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Everton are 7th in the all-time attendance table and as has been mentioned will be moving into a brand new 52,000 seat stadium in two years. I'd be amazed if they didn't come straight back up.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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Everton are 7th in the all-time attendance table and as has been mentioned will be moving into a brand new 52,000 seat stadium in two years. I'd be amazed if they didn't come straight back up.

I agree with that. When Villa went down a few years ago they had one of the worst PL seasons in history, they really were dreadful and I didn't think at the time they would go straight back up. Everton are nowhere near as bad as that Villa team were.

[Der Kaiser]

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Everton are 7th in the all-time attendance table and as has been mentioned will be moving into a brand new 52,000 seat stadium in two years. I'd be amazed if they didn't come straight back up.

Likewise, seems like this is a now or never moment in football as well, likelihood is they'll sort themselves out and be fine next season. Would make a real change to the usual sized clubs that yoyo between the two divisions.

Looking at an example such as Hamburg however, you never know... maybe Everton come down and it just all goes wrong, Hamburg have had a horrendous time trying to get out of the Bundesliga 2. I can dream.

[splott parker]

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Not sure what your definition of a yo-yo club is, but out of 123 seasons in the league since its inauguration, Villa have not been in the top flight for 15 of them. Their 108 seasons in the top division is the 2nd highest behind Everton, who've managed 119. They've been relegated from the top flight 5 times and their recent 3 season stint in the Championship was the 2nd longest they've been out of the top division since the 60s and 70s, where their 8 years included 2 seasons in Division 3, as TOBW mentioned.

Looking at my records, Arsenal have been relegated from the top division once, Liverpool 3 times, Spurs 4, Villa and Man Utd 5, Chelsea and Newcastle 6, Man City 10. Villa have played more top flight matches than anyone bar Liverpool, Arsenal and Everton.

Villa’s top flight record is certainly helped by being one of the 12. Compared to Everton in modern times they’ve had the bleaker time. Ok, not so much a yo yo club but compared to the others, bar Man City, going down to the third tier would be unthinkable. In my growing up years Villa were the record FA Cup winners, that record’s been obliterated. Yes, they have a very commendable European Cup to their name but to me they’ve always been a successful Victorian/Edwardian club. But, as you’ve corrected me, not a yo yo club, it just seems to me we’ve played them in the league a lot more than the other bigger guns.

[Moodybluebird]

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Villa’s top flight record is certainly helped by being one of the 12. Compared to Everton in modern times they’ve had the bleaker time. Ok, not so much a yo yo club but compared to the others, bar Man City, going down to the third tier would be unthinkable. In my growing up years Villa were the record FA Cup winners, that record’s been obliterated. Yes, they have a very commendable European Cup to their name but to me they’ve always been a successful Victorian/Edwardian club. But, as you’ve corrected me, not a yo yo club, it just seems to me we’ve played them in the league a lot more than the other bigger guns.

I know what you mean about seeming to play Villa more often than the other big clubs. Possibly because I have very clear recollections of us playing them in the 60's and 70's. Villa v City was my first away game in 1968 and the 3-0 City victory on Boxing Day 1967 is etched in my memory due to Bobby Brown's career ending knee injury.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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Villa’s top flight record is certainly helped by being one of the 12. Compared to Everton in modern times they’ve had the bleaker time. Ok, not so much a yo yo club but compared to the others, bar Man City, going down to the third tier would be unthinkable. In my growing up years Villa were the record FA Cup winners, that record’s been obliterated. Yes, they have a very commendable European Cup to their name but to me they’ve always been a successful Victorian/Edwardian club. But, as you’ve corrected me, not a yo yo club, it just seems to me we’ve played them in the league a lot more than the other bigger guns.

I'm not quite sure I agree with that, either. Even if you took away a few seasons until the likes of Liverpool and Man Utd joined the league, their record of appearances in the top flight is still very impressive.

I get what you mean about their successes; their 1957 FA cup win was their first silverware for years and, League cup apart, they've won 1 title and European cup, though should have won the title again at least once in the 90s. It certainly doesn't compare with the bigger names in the top flight.

You're right to an extent that we have played them more often than the other bigger guns. Here's a list of teams and the number of times we've played them in the league, where the number of games against them in the top flight is greater than the rest (team, total games, top flight games, 2nd tier games):

Manchester United 30 28 2
Liverpool 30 24 6
Arsenal 34 34 0
Everton 34 30 4
Chelsea 38 24 14
Manchester City 42 30 12
Tottenham Hotspur 44 32 12
Aston Villa 50 32 18
West Bromwich Albion 52 28 24
Newcastle United 54 32 22

We played Villa in every one of their 6 2nd division seasons in the late 60s/early 70s. We also played them in 8 out of 9 seasons between 1952/53 and 1961/62, so those who are older than me will have lots of memories of playing Villa. After we lost 2-0 to them at Villa Park in 1975 we've only faced each other 6 times in the league - we didn't play them again in the league until September 2013 when we lost 2-0 again up there. Since 1975 we've played Spurs as often in the league.

Those with longer memories than me won't have many fond memories of Villa Park. We've lost 13 and drawn 2 of our last 15 visits there, while we've won 9 of our last 14 at home.

[TWGL1]

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I know what you mean about seeming to play Villa more often than the other big clubs. Possibly because I have very clear recollections of us playing them in the 60's and 70's. Villa v City was my first away game in 1968 and the 3-0 City victory on Boxing Day 1967 is etched in my memory due to Bobby Brown's career ending knee injury.

How many city would have travelled to Villa in 68, and would it have been by football special, or did away support only really become big in the 70’s ?

[splott parker]

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How many city would have travelled to Villa in 68, and would it have been by football special, or did away support only really become big in the 70’s ?

I went, by train, not sure if it was a football special. It was a snowy Boxing Day and we seemed to be at the ground really early. Groundstaff were clearing the snow away from the approaches (Derby would have had it postponed no bother).

One strange anecdote, I’m sure it happened, unless my memory is going doolally, is that Coventry’s game v Wolves had been postponed. Us City fans were stationed on the terraces by the half way line with Wolves fans in front of us supporting us and Coventry fans behind us, also supporting us. The Coventry fans were quite concerned with the Wolves fans presence and urged us not to let on that they were there.

There were a lot of City fans there that day as there were at all the 60s away games I went to, Plymouth in ‘67 being my first. Bluetit (Tony Jefferies) very often in the same company as me. The players very often travelled home on the same train as us.

[TWGL1]

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I went, by train, not sure if it was a football special. It was a snowy Boxing Day and we seemed to be at the ground really early. Groundstaff were clearing the snow away from the approaches (Derby would have had it postponed no bother).

One strange anecdote, I’m sure it happened, unless my memory is going doolally, is that Coventry’s game v Wolves had been postponed. Us City fans were stationed on the terraces by the half way line with Wolves fans in front of us supporting us and Coventry fans behind us, also supporting us. The Coventry fans were quite concerned with the Wolves fans presence and urged us not to let on that they were there.

There were a lot of City fans there that day as there were at all the 60s away games I went to, Plymouth in ‘67 being my first. Bluetit (Tony Jefferies) very often in the same company as me. The players very often travelled home on the same train as us.

Sounds like a brilliant day out that, interesting perspective, thanks