Unilateral Tan

[sneggyblubird]

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Seems to me there is a pretty much universal desire for a long-term "project" and a young manager with a modern take on things. At least, that is something that I have read or heard quite a few people saying. If not that, I think a lot of us would be happy with a decent style of football.

The only way to have a chance of finding that out though is through having good communication with the fans.

I don't know why we always have to be second guessing Tans decisions....."Maybe it's a short term thing", " Maybe, he is doing it so we can invest more in the playing squad" .

Seriously, this is my club , not his. He answers to us. Like I said, if we all drop tools and credit cards, the club does not exist. He doesn't have his vanity project.

The fact someone else abused the club in the past doesn't mean that we deserve to be treated like a bunch of mindless drones.

What I'm saying is no matter what Tan decides theres always someone who thinks they know better and are prepared to make huge assumptions about Tan to that end.As this appointment is only to the end of the season it allows time for the decision makers to make a more considered choice.

[Hilts]

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I cant actually believe anyone thinks Tan decided to appoint Mick McCarthy without consulting anyone.

Its probably Dahlmans work.

[The Lone Gunman]

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He's a bit damned if you do, damned if you don't. If he'd given him a 4 year deal then I'd understand the hysteria but McCarthy's only here until the end of the season, hopefully the plan is to use that time to find the right manager to take us forward long term

I don't really understand why anyone is saying this with such confidence. A couple of the reports I read yesterday suggested McCarthy has been appointed until the end of the season with the option of an extension. If McCarthy can get the team moving and finish within a reasonable distance of the play-offs, I reckon he's 100% guaranteed to be given a new, improved contract. I don't think he'd have come here if that wasn't a probability.

[Hilts]

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He's a bit damned if you do, damned if you don't. If he'd given him a 4 year deal then I'd understand the hysteria but McCarthy's only here until the end of the season, hopefully the plan is to use that time to find the right manager to take us forward long term

Hes not necessarily only here until the end of the season. The likely scenario is his deal is extended. I think he will do the job the board want and get an extension.

[The Lone Gunman]

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No fans , no club.

I appreciate that and so does Tan, but he couldn't really care less about what the fans think. Surely the rebrand saga taught you that?

[Cleve van Leef]

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Seems to me there is a pretty much universal desire for a long-term "project" and a young manager with a modern take on things. At least, that is something that I have read or heard quite a few people saying. If not that, I think a lot of us would be happy with a decent style of football.

The only way to have a chance of finding that out though is through having good communication with the fans.














I don't know why we always have to be second guessing Tans decisions....."Maybe it's a short term thing", " Maybe, he is doing it so we can invest more in the playing squad" .

Seriously, this is my club , not his. He answers to us. Like I said, if we all drop tools and credit cards, the club does not exist. He doesn't have his vanity project.

The fact someone else abused the club in the past doesn't mean that we deserve to be treated like a bunch of mindless drones.

What a load of Northampton Town.

[Divine Wright]

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Can't believe that post !
He's a businessman investing millions - why would he consult fans ?

Many people here for example are automatically negative and obviously have no understanding of the game.

People get confused whether this is professional sport or some kind of community social project.

Mate, you are all about capitalism, I would expect you to understand.

I'll repeat though. This is not a dictatorship. As a fan base we also invest millions of hard earned pounds, and have done over the last 100 years or so....long before Vincent Tan existed.

Without Vincent Tan there would either be another multi-millionaire in charge or the registered trademark Cardiff City Football Club would cease to exist and we'd have another manifestation of the club which would currently be in League Two or League One. Without the fans putting in their money the same thing would happen. This is an investment by both parties, with each party investing for its own reasons. The fans , for the sense of belonging, the match day , a sense of community...whtever. I'm unsure what Tan's motives are. To be a kind soul . ....ok , if you say so.

[delmbox]

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I don't really understand why anyone is saying this with such confidence. A couple of the reports I read yesterday suggested McCarthy has been appointed until the end of the season with the option of an extension. If McCarthy can get the team moving and finish within a reasonable distance of the play-offs, I reckon he's 100% guaranteed to be given a new, improved contract. I don't think he'd have come here if that wasn't a probability.

I'm only going by what I saw on the BBC Sport announcement, I do agree with you about if he does ok he there's a good chance he'll stay though

[Hilts]

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I appreciate that and so does Tan, but he couldn't really care less about what the fans think. Surely the rebrand saga taught you that?

I think falling gates and decrease in revenue would make him care.

However with no fans in stadiums and probably a best case scenario on restricted attendances next season I dont think he will give a sh!t what is posted on social media.

[delmbox]

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HOPEFULLY !

That's what I'm saying Delmi. You are a passenger on his journey.

I am, but to be fair if I was spending millions of my own money I'd be driving the train as well

[The Lone Gunman]

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I'm only going by what I saw on the BBC Sport announcement, I do agree with you about if he does ok he there's a good chance he'll stay though

I think the chances of City making the play-offs this season are extremely slim, but the chances of them finishing anywhere between 7th and 10th are reasonable. I believe if McCarthy can steer the side into one of those positions by the end of the season, he'll definitely be given a new contract.

[delmbox]

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I think the chances of City making the play-offs this season are extremely slim, but the chances of them finishing anywhere between 7th and 10th are reasonable. I believe if McCarthy can steer the side into one of those positions by the end of the season, he'll definitely be given a new contract.

The ol' "Ole after PSG away" shuffle

[Divine Wright]

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I am, but to be fair if I was spending millions of my own money I'd be driving the train as well

It's all relative. You don't have million pounds to spend. He does. He probably spends, percentage-wise , something similar to what you do on Cardiff City.

Also, if you add up all the Delmis who buy season tickets and merchandise and has done for the last twenty/thrty years, that is a lot of money. If we are talking brass tax ........ a lot of the money you invested hasn't reaped rewards. You have seen a lot of crappy football. A lot of the decisions made at board level have been questionable. Why should I continue investing my money in this company.

If we are talking about Cardiff City as a company that provides entertainment and a day out , as Ronnie and co. will have you believe, would you go and watch a production by Mick McCarthy ? **** that.

He can't have it both ways. It's either an entertainment company that provide sub-par entertainment or it's a football club.

If it is a football club then speak to the members of the club. I'm not saying he has to to do what they want, but it doesn't hurt to listen.

PS. Have you seen the film "Snowpiercier" (it pisses on the series)? You know where you are on that train don't you ? :)

[The Lone Gunman]

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I think falling gates and decrease in revenue would make him care.

We've already seen that those elements can bring about a change in his policies, the rebrand reversal being the obvious example. However, it's a numbers game. I don't think he genuinely cares what the fans think, hence his complete lack of engagement with the fanbase since his arrival.

The former chairman of CCST met with Tan just once at a function they were both attending. The CCST chair politely suggested that the majority of fans would be a lot more comfortable and the club would be much stronger and more united if the owner could reconsider his stance regarding the club's identity. Tan simply told him any fans who weren't happy could go and support another club, and then he walked away.

Nothing Tan has done to date has suggested he has any interest in the opinion of the fans. He doesn't talk to any of the fans organisations at all and seems content provided a reasonable percentage keep showing up to matches. That about as far as the owner/fan relationship goes as far as he's concerned.

[RonnieBird]

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Mate, you are all about capitalism, I would expect you to understand.

I'll repeat though. This is not a dictatorship. As a fan base we also invest millions of hard earned pounds, and have done over the last 100 years or so....long before Vincent Tan existed.

Without Vincent Tan there would either be another multi-millionaire in charge or the registered trademark Cardiff City Football Club would cease to exist and we'd have another manifestation of the club which would currently be in League Two or League One. Without the fans putting in their money the same thing would happen. This is an investment by both parties, with each party investing for its own reasons. The fans , for the sense of belonging, the match day , a sense of community...whtever. I'm unsure what Tan's motives are. To be a kind soul . ....ok , if you say so.

If you want to view it in those terms, the supporters are consumers who don't even agree with each other and have no expertise in running the enterprise.
In fact there's not a queue of billionaires who'd like to buy a football team. Such people are few and far between because it doesn't really pay and candidates need to have a personal love for the game to get involved.