Parachute payments

[The Lone Gunman]

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it should at least be a level playing field.

That's the stuff of fantasy. Football has never been a level playing field. Nor will it ever be.

[OurManFlint II]

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That's the stuff of fantasy. Football has never been a level playing field. Nor will it ever be.

And that's why i believe performance enhancing drugs should be legal. People think i'm being facetious but i'm deadly serious.

[The Lone Gunman]

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And that's why i believe performance enhancing drugs should be legal. People think i'm being facetious but i'm deadly serious.

:hehe:

Credit where it's due, that's a new angle.

[Rjk]

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That's the stuff of fantasy. Football has never been a level playing field. Nor will it ever be.

its never going to be for things like ticket sales, or merchandise or sponsorship, but it should be for TV revenue IMO, or at least the disparity should be a lot less.

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clubs like Coventry have an income of about 12 million, and are competing with clubs that get £42 million in a season from parachute payments alone

[The Lone Gunman]

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clubs like Coventry have an income of about 12 million, and are competing with clubs that get £42 million in a season from parachute payments alone

I know you love your graphics, but I have no idea what that one means. Wycombe? Charlton? Sheffield Wednesday? They ain't in the Championship.

[Pearcey3]

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2018/19 - Birmingham were deducted 9 points, which meant they finished 17th as opposed to 14th.

2020/21 - Sheffield Wednesday were deducted 6 points, which meant they were relegated (ironically instead of Derby).

And, of course, this season we have Derby's 21 points, that will see them relegated, and Reading's 6 points, which might see them relegated or mean nothing at all.

The point I was making above is the teams who get punished are those who are knackered anyway. It's not those who achieve any sort of success.

Is it right that by winning promotion Villa were able to escape the much more stringent FFP rules in the Championship? They accrued huge debts which were well over £39 million over three years but by going up avoided being punished. Huge overspending benefitted them and they didn’t get punished. Huge overspending didn’t work for other clubs and they were punished. I don’t think that’s right. Overspending is overspending.

[OurManFlint II]

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:hehe:

Credit where it's due, that's a new angle.

Its deadly serious, sport is just for the rich. I think they worked out the cost for Australia at about 30 million dollars a gold medal in Athens back in the 2000's. Australia finished 4th because they spent more money.

Drugs in sport reduce economic bias.

[The Lone Gunman]

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Is it right that by winning promotion Villa were able to escape the much more stringent FFP rules in the Championship? They accrued huge debts which were well over £39 million over three years but by going up avoided being punished. Huge overspending benefitted them and they didn’t get punished. Huge overspending didn’t work for other clubs and they were punished. I don’t think that’s right. Overspending is overspending.

No idea to be honest. But I can't recall any sides getting points deductions after promotion, which is one of the main reasons why I believe the system just doesn't stack up. The only clubs who seem to get punished are those who are already knackered anyway, and the system is so complicated that even those who are supposed to be overseeing it don't seem to understand it (for instance, Cardiff were hit with an embargo not long ago that was swiftly removed as there was apparently some sort of misunderstanding on the part of the Football League).

I appreciate these measures are intended to stop clubs overspending, but they clearly don't work in that respect, so what do they actually achieve?

[The Lone Gunman]

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Its deadly serious, sport is just for the rich.

I don't think too many footballers start off rich.....

[Rjk]

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I know you love your graphics, but I have no idea what that one means. Wycombe? Charlton? Sheffield Wednesday? They ain't in the Championship.

its not from this season

[OurManFlint II]

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I don't think too many footballers start off rich.....

you misunderstand.

[The Lone Gunman]

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you misunderstand.

Enlighten me.

[The Lone Gunman]

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its not from this season

So what season it is from?

[Pearcey3]

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No idea to be honest. But I can't recall any sides getting points deductions after promotion, which is one of the main reasons why I believe the system just doesn't stack up. The only clubs who seem to get punished are those who are already knackered anyway, and the system is so complicated that even those who are supposed to be overseeing it don't seem to understand it (for instance, Cardiff were hit with an embargo not long ago that was swiftly removed as there was apparently some sort of misunderstanding on the part of the Football League).

I appreciate these measures are intended to stop clubs overspending, but they clearly don't work in that respect, so what do they actually achieve?

I see it as a big flaw. Teams like Villa spend huge sums in a gamble to get back to the PL. It worked for them but it was by no means a guarantee. They would have been knackered had they not gone up because their debts were huge. The system encourages clubs to take that gamble knowing the FFP debt levels are much higher in the PL. That needs to change. The PL and EFL need to work together to come up with a more sensible way of monitoring all of this because it’s failing. Relegation from the PL to the Championship should not be so disastrous and similarly promotion to the PL shouldn’t be so lucrative.

[Rjk]

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So what season it is from?

mostly 2020/21 except where the club's haven't released the accounts for that season yet, in which case it's their Most recent results