Yma O Hyd

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What would be the point in the classes? In your World there'd be no form in Welsh for the students to fill in.

So people are learning Welsh so they can fill in Cardiff County Council forms ?

Or you are talking about other forms ?

Do you think the Welsh language is stronger through more people being taught it as youngsters and young adults or by people DEMANDING to be provided with Welsh language council tax forms ?

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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So people are learning Welsh so they can fill in Cardiff County Council forms ?

Or you are talking about other forms ?

Do you think the Welsh language is stronger through more people being taught it as youngsters and young adults or by people DEMANDING to be provided with Welsh language council tax forms ?

Simple question, yes or no.

Should Welsh speakers, regardless of where they live in Wales, be able to communicate in Welsh to their local council, government etc?

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You do realise there a welsh school in Splott?
There are welsh speaking clubs in Cardiff plus sport teams but you think no welsh is spoke there? Weird

As for forms thrown in the bin most are welsh on.one side and English on the other.
I find it strange that because you don't speak welsh then using forms in the language should stop.

I don't think it's because I don't speak Welsh that these bilingual forms should stop .

I think they should stop because it's a waste of money and box ticking .

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There are Welsh speakers all over South Wales, if a Welsh speaker wants a form /phone message in Welsh they should be able to have it.

The moment you stop providing that service the language will quietly start to die.

I don't think anyone can demand something and expect to get it

It's 2022 , the welsh language is strong and its strong because people are speaking it and people are learning it . They are not learning it by getting a form through the post in welsh as well as English.

[GL1Blue]

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So people are learning Welsh so they can fill in Cardiff County Council forms ?

Or you are talking about other forms ?

Do you think the Welsh language is stronger through more people being taught it as youngsters and young adults or by people DEMANDING to be provided with Welsh language council tax forms ?

In it's simplest terms you're saying that someone who is Welsh speaking shouldn't get a form or message in Welsh when they are in Wales.

I really can't understand why you think that's reasonable.

I'm not saying that people learn Welsh in order to fill in forms, I know people who can't speak Welsh but fill in the Welsh part of the form as they want the form to be sent out in Welsh in the future!

Clearly education makes the language stronger, that's a no-brainer. Only sending out English forms means that Welsh speakers don't get the option, but they should get that option for the reasons in the first paragraph.

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Simple question, yes or no.

Should Welsh speakers, regardless of where they live in Wales, be able to communicate in Welsh to their local council, government etc?

No

I have always thought that the provision of services should be determined by the demand for that service .

I don't see the point of sending out bilingual council forms when in some places hardly anyone speaks Welsh.

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In it's simplest terms you're saying that someone who is Welsh speaking shouldn't get a form or message in Welsh when they are in Wales.

I really can't understand why you think that's reasonable.

I'm not saying that people learn Welsh in order to fill in forms, I know people who can't speak Welsh but fill in the Welsh part of the form as they want the form to be sent out in Welsh in the future!

Clearly education makes the language stronger, that's a no-brainer. Only sending out English forms means that Welsh speakers don't get the option, but they should get that option for the reasons in the first paragraph.

They have been given that right now but I think it's daft

There's 200 people in my street

3 houses are Welsh speaking

They get council tax forms in Welsh and English, most people in the street don't speak welsh and can't understand the forms , they are bilingual and can understand English ....it just seems a waste of money when it's just a bloody form

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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No

I have always thought that the provision of services should be determined by the demand for that service .

I don't see the point of sending out bilingual council forms when in some places hardly anyone speaks Welsh.

End of argument from me. No point carrying on with it. You have an attitude towards this I find utterly abhorrent.

[willo1927]

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I don't think it's because I don't speak Welsh that these bilingual forms should stop .

I think they should stop because it's a waste of money and box ticking .

You have no idea how many people use the language
It's just ignorance on your part
You don't speak the language so you won't come into contact with it and think it's not worthwhile.
I hear it spoken nearly every day
I use it in my job with welsh speakers
My daughter used to work in Cardiff and was the designated welsh speaker with customers who wanted to deal in the language.
She would have welsh speakers coming up to hear all the time and was as natural as speaking in English

You say you would prefer to go walking or fishing which is mainly things you do on your own so it's not surprising you don't come across it.
The thing is that I can bump into more welsh speakers than anglers whenever I go out but I don't think that lakes and fisheries should be closed down because I don't fish and nobody i now does either.

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End of argument from me. No point carrying on with it. You have an attitude towards this I find utterly abhorrent.

OK 👌

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You have no idea how many people use the language
It's just ignorance on your part
You don't speak the language so you won't come into contact with it and think it's not worthwhile.
I hear it spoken nearly every day
I use it in my job with welsh speakers
My daughter used to work in Cardiff and was the designated welsh speaker with customers who wanted to deal in the language.
She would have welsh speakers coming up to hear all the time and was as natural as speaking in English

You say you would prefer to go walking or fishing which is mainly things you do on your own so it's not surprising you don't come across it.
The thing is that I can bump into more welsh speakers than anglers whenever I go out but I don't think that lakes and fisheries should be closed down because I don't fish and nobody i now does either.

Fishing , Football , Curry

Just interests

Public money generally isn't spent on that

But S4C which has dreadful viewing figures is subsidised and council forms are sent out to people in Welsh and English and its utterly pointless . And a waste of money .

[willo1927]

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Fishing , Football , Curry

Just interests

Public money generally isn't spent on that

But S4C which has dreadful viewing figures is subsidised and council forms are sent out to people in Welsh and English and its utterly pointless . And a waste of money .

Public money is spent on football and fishing.
Probably more than on these forms you keep banging on about.
Council tax forms ate once a year.
Maintaing parks and sporting areas are all year round.
Fishing is expensive to maintain and keep the rivers and lakes unpolluted.

[Wash DC Blue]

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The Welsh Language is massively important to Wales.
I went to Mr Urdd at Llangranog, learned to the best of my shitty ability taught by Mr Robert's at a school in Newport.

Even went to see the Cardiff Tigers (I think) American Football team at Ninian Park followed by Cefyl Pren at The Newport Centre that evening.

On the flip side, been ****ed off by the staff at Ifor Bach for rudimentary knowledge of the Welsh Language which just made me resentful rather than understanding.

Super Furry Animals have been amazing at building personal bridges for me.

I hope that the language flurries and that at some point in time the majority of people in Wales will have a better command of the language than me.

[dembethewarrior]

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So, just for the record, you think it's a waste of money for Welsh speakers to be able to communicate in Welsh for government/local authority services in predominantly non Welsh speaking areas? Would you also get rid of Welsh language council phone lines in councils where Welsh speakers are in a minority?

Sounds like something Thatcher would do.. bloody Tories.

[dembethewarrior]

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I am not saying that though

I am saying in predominantly English speaking areas of South Wales drop all the silly box ticking nonsense

There are loads of ways Welsh speaking people can use the language as a living language

Try finding a Welsh speaking member of staff to deal with your council tax problem in say Barry

Good luck with that

So basically **** the Welsh speaking people in these areas then because they are such a minority its pointless. Sounds like a tory attitude to things.