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  • How close to relegation did we actually come this season?

    Over the last few days, reading some contributions on here made me think we have been on the brink of relegation all season. Let's look back on the season...

    August: Unbeaten in the opening 4 games, lost at home to Bristol City in the last game of the month. Early days, 9th in the table with 8 points.

    September: Opened the month with a win from behind at Forest, then suffered 4 defeats on the trot, conceding 9 in those two games. Still early days, dropped to 18th in the the table with 11 points, 3 above the drop zone.

    October: Awful month. 4 more successive defeats saw the end of McCarthy, Morison starts with a 3-3 draw after being 3-0 down. 11 goals conceded in 5 games, only 1 goal scored in the previous 8 before the Stoke draw. Season settling down, 21st in the table with 12 points, still 3 above the drop zone. Worrying times, but teams aren't relegated in October.

    November: Better month. 3 wins, 2 defeats. No more than 1 goal conceded in any games, but no clean sheets still. 20th in the table with 21 points, 5 points above the drop zone. Points deductions for Derby and Reading helping as well. fivethirtyeight.com gives us a 10% chance of relegation.

    December: Three tough league games, 1 point from them. Only 3 points from the bottom 3. Again, teams aren't relegated in December and we've kept our heads out of the relegation zone.

    January: Another difficult month, 2 defeats but a decent draw at West Brom and victory over an in form Forest side very welcome. 6 points above the bottom 3 with big games against 2 sides below us to come. fivethirtyeight.com has us at 14% for relegation. 19 games to go.

    February: Seven league games this month. 3 wins, including massive wins against Barnsley and Peterborough, 3 defeats, but there was also a spirited performance at Liverpool in the cup. 13 points off the bottom 3. 12 games to go. Barring unlikely runs of form from those below us, we're safe.

    March: 3 wins and a draw all but secure our divisional status for next season. 18 points clear of the relegation zone.

    April: 1 win (so far) at Reading confirms safety with 6 games to go. Team goes on holiday for the rest of the season.

    It might be the naturally pessimistic nature of some City fans that brought a genuine fear of relegation, the belief or opinion that we'll continue to be shit while teams below us will get better results. I dread to think what might have happened had McCarthy not been shown the door. Since then, we have always been clear of the drop zone while teams below us have rarely looked capable of closing that gap. Some might say it would have been a different story had Derby and Reading not had points deductions, but that's utterly irrelevant. Suppose they hadn't happened, we'd be 4 points clear with a game in hand and teams between us and the bottom 3. Teams in such a position very rarely go down, but I guess the pessimistic City fan would still fear the worst.

    In short, I'm not dismissing the fact that we have had a battle to stay in the division, but saying we've been close to relegation is about as accurate as saying we've always looked safe. Since February we have, more or less, been safe and teams are more likely to know their destiny at the end of February than at the end of October.

    While this will, I'm sure be dismissed by many, I've mentioned the website fivethirtyeight.com, which, week by week has given teams a percentage chance of relegation, playoffs, promotion etc. No idea how they work these things out. We've never been in their top 3 percentage chance of relegation and the current bottom 3 have been their 3 favourites for relegation since mid November.

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    Re: How close to relegation did we actually come this season?

    yeah I never thought we were going down this season

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    • #3
      Re: How close to relegation did we actually come this season?

      Statistically, this has been the club’s worst season in decades, it has included a club-record run of defeats and the football has been garbage for much of it.

      Nevertheless, the team has never once been in the relegation zone and has comfortably avoided the drop. That speaks volumes about the quality of the Championship this season, although things may have been a little different were it not for the points deductions at Derby and Reading.

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      • #4
        Re: How close to relegation did we actually come this season?

        Originally posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
        Over the last few days, reading some contributions on here made me think we have been on the brink of relegation all season. Let's look back on the season...

        August: Unbeaten in the opening 4 games, lost at home to Bristol City in the last game of the month. Early days, 9th in the table with 8 points.

        September: Opened the month with a win from behind at Forest, then suffered 4 defeats on the trot, conceding 9 in those two games. Still early days, dropped to 18th in the the table with 11 points, 3 above the drop zone.

        October: Awful month. 4 more successive defeats saw the end of McCarthy, Morison starts with a 3-3 draw after being 3-0 down. 11 goals conceded in 5 games, only 1 goal scored in the previous 8 before the Stoke draw. Season settling down, 21st in the table with 12 points, still 3 above the drop zone. Worrying times, but teams aren't relegated in October.

        November: Better month. 3 wins, 2 defeats. No more than 1 goal conceded in any games, but no clean sheets still. 20th in the table with 21 points, 5 points above the drop zone. Points deductions for Derby and Reading helping as well. fivethirtyeight.com gives us a 10% chance of relegation.

        December: Three tough league games, 1 point from them. Only 3 points from the bottom 3. Again, teams aren't relegated in December and we've kept our heads out of the relegation zone.

        January: Another difficult month, 2 defeats but a decent draw at West Brom and victory over an in form Forest side very welcome. 6 points above the bottom 3 with big games against 2 sides below us to come. fivethirtyeight.com has us at 14% for relegation. 19 games to go.

        February: Seven league games this month. 3 wins, including massive wins against Barnsley and Peterborough, 3 defeats, but there was also a spirited performance at Liverpool in the cup. 13 points off the bottom 3. 12 games to go. Barring unlikely runs of form from those below us, we're safe.

        March: 3 wins and a draw all but secure our divisional status for next season. 18 points clear of the relegation zone.

        April: 1 win (so far) at Reading confirms safety with 6 games to go. Team goes on holiday for the rest of the season.

        It might be the naturally pessimistic nature of some City fans that brought a genuine fear of relegation, the belief or opinion that we'll continue to be shit while teams below us will get better results. I dread to think what might have happened had McCarthy not been shown the door. Since then, we have always been clear of the drop zone while teams below us have rarely looked capable of closing that gap. Some might say it would have been a different story had Derby and Reading not had points deductions, but that's utterly irrelevant. Suppose they hadn't happened, we'd be 4 points clear with a game in hand and teams between us and the bottom 3. Teams in such a position very rarely go down, but I guess the pessimistic City fan would still fear the worst.

        In short, I'm not dismissing the fact that we have had a battle to stay in the division, but saying we've been close to relegation is about as accurate as saying we've always looked safe. Since February we have, more or less, been safe and teams are more likely to know their destiny at the end of February than at the end of October.

        While this will, I'm sure be dismissed by many, I've mentioned the website fivethirtyeight.com, which, week by week has given teams a percentage chance of relegation, playoffs, promotion etc. No idea how they work these things out. We've never been in their top 3 percentage chance of relegation and the current bottom 3 have been their 3 favourites for relegation since mid November.
        in fairness 538s model has done a really good job of predicting the league even if you go as far back as October they seem to get the final table pretty accurate

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        • #5
          Re: How close to relegation did we actually come this season?

          We were just a Morison away, he's done a good job, but I think we can still do better!

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          • #6
            Re: How close to relegation did we actually come this season?

            Originally posted by North Cardiff Blue View Post
            We were just a Morison away!

            In fairness he's done well, but as I've said before don't settle for quite good, plan ahead and get the best Manager we can get when he's available, like Chris Wilder at the time, now Sean Dyche, these quality Managers aren't available most of the time.
            Dyche will have no doubt have better offers but we certainly could and should have a better manager than Steve Morison. He’s just the cheap option.

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            • #7
              Re: How close to relegation did we actually come this season?

              To be honest I think it Morison has taken over earlier we would be in a better position.

              On the flip it MM had some how managed to keep his job all season then he would have took us down. The turn around has been brilliant.

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              • #8
                Re: How close to relegation did we actually come this season?

                Originally posted by 2b2bdoo View Post
                To be honest I think it Morison has taken over earlier we would be in a better position.

                On the flip it MM had some how managed to keep his job all season then he would have took us down. The turn around has been brilliant.
                I would like to see what would have happened to a Morison team with no Drameh, Hugill or Doyle...

                We're about to in 2022/23.

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                • #9
                  Re: How close to relegation did we actually come this season?

                  While statistically we may not have been in danger of relegation the way the side was playing always made me feel that relegation was a distinct possibility.

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                  • #10
                    Re: How close to relegation did we actually come this season?

                    Originally posted by Pedro de la Rosa View Post
                    I would like to see what would have happened to a Morison team with no Drameh, Hugill or Doyle...

                    We're about to in 2022/23.
                    new players will come in, be it loan's or not, the cycle will continue

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                    • #11
                      Re: How close to relegation did we actually come this season?

                      You were not close to relegation. It obviously helped with Derby and Reading’s point deductions but Barnsley and Posh would have been relegated ages ago without these points deductions leaving just in relegation spot left.
                      Birmingham look like being the team to benefit from Derby’s 21 points deduction. Cardiff have never really been in a relegation battle this season. It would have been different if no team had suffered a points deduction though.

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                      • #12
                        Re: How close to relegation did we actually come this season?

                        I thought we were in serious trouble after the performance at Bristol City, but, in the end, it was a turning point because we followed it up with, maybe, our best performance of the season against Forest - once we had beaten Peterborough and Barnsley we were okay.

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                        • #13
                          Re: How close to relegation did we actually come this season?

                          Without the five loan players who've all made decent contributions plus the recall of Wintle I think we would have been looking at trips to Morecambe and Cheltenham next season. The team we had before Christmas when players like Pack. Bacuna , Collins and Ciaron Brown were regulars wouldn't have had enough to stay up in my opinion.

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                          • #14
                            Re: How close to relegation did we actually come this season?

                            As I've said in a different thread, the most important 3 matches we've played under Morison's tenure (Barnsley away, Peterborough and Derby home) were all won. These 3 results more or less banished the threat of relegation. Yes, the Swansea defeat was a bitter pill to swallow but it not define our season.

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                            • #15
                              Re: How close to relegation did we actually come this season?

                              Originally posted by Pedro de la Rosa View Post
                              I would like to see what would have happened to a Morison team with no Drameh, Hugill or Doyle...

                              We're about to in 2022/23.
                              I think any manager would have struggled without adding in January which is never easy.

                              I think he should be praised for getting that quality of player in January to a team struggling, enough people on here knocked him for signing has been Hugill and Doyle who can get a game in Belgium. Think it shows he knows what he wants and I’m certainly interested to see what he does in the summer when he has more time and more option available on frees.

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