The MEETINGS MAIN POINTS

[Rjk]

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just looking on the club's linked in page, which if it's as up to date as mine is probably meaningless, but there's a guy called Tim Henderson in a "head of scouting" role, previously at Swansea in between 2012-2018 as head of player recruitment

joined in Apr 2019.

[dml1954]

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So Vinny had a "good" offer to sell the club but didn't budge?

It would be really interesting and helpful if it were revealed why he did not sell.

Is it a) because he wants a "great" offer and a "good" offer falls way short? (If so, he's inhabiting cloud cuckoo land once again, just like he did with his whacko red idea!)

Or, b) because he's still got some sort of weird and wonderful plan to hoist Cardiff into a top top club on a shoestring budget and with a dearth of good personnel at the helm?

Or, c) is he indulging some deep rooted Freudian obsession?

Whichever way he doesn't feel inclined to share the big picture with us mere fans. Are we all just stuck in limbo with him and his inner demons?

You obviously have no respect whatsoever for a man who saved this club from bankruptcy and has bankrolled it for the last 8/9 years, during a period of unprecedented success. He is also currently keeping it going to the tune of £3m a month and has converted most of his debt to equity. You should get down on your knees and thank god that he has been here, rather than posting snidey remarks about him. PS. Why should he tell you or anyone else why he didn't want to sell the club. He has already hoisted Cardiff City into the Premier League on a shoestring budget - twice - but apparently thats still not good enough for some.

[Baloo]

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You obviously don't know me WTF is POWERPOINT ????

[BLUETIT]

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Sorry Paul my original post wasn't clear; I was at the meeting so no inside knowledge here!!

I'm pretty sure I'm not making up () but it's strange that no-one else has mentioned it. It seemed almost a throwaway comment from Choo; that we had brought someone on-board. There was a conversation around the lack of DoF. Dalman suggested that we potentially didn't need one; and then Choo started talking about the fact that David Hughes had been brought in for additional football knowledge and to allow the previous academy manager to focus on other areas of running the academy. He then made an additional comment about bringing someone in some sort of recruitment capacity. I'm sure there was a connection with Arsenal, the name Baddiel sounds right because I immediately thought of Baddiel and Skinner at the time but I potentially could've misheard. That part of the conversation then switched to Ng and Watters and were suggested as evidence of our change in tact on transfers (though was made clear that Harris was fully on-board with both).

Maybe I dreamt it .

I wasn't able to make the meeting until last minute due to something coming up at work so didn't really take any notes, etc as was a little rushed.

This is exactly how I heard/took, it. You are correct in every way.

PS:----- It was to long for me to print out, I only cover basics, then let others fill in the spaces I can't remember the Arsenal's fella name either

[Dorcus]

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You obviously have no respect whatsoever for a man who saved this club from bankruptcy and has bankrolled it for the last 8/9 years, during a period of unprecedented success. He is also currently keeping it going to the tune of £3m a month and has converted most of his debt to equity. You should get down on your knees and thank god that he has been here, rather than posting snidey remarks about him. PS. Why should he tell you or anyone else why he didn't want to sell the club. He has already hoisted Cardiff City into the Premier League on a shoestring budget - twice - but apparently thats still not good enough for some.

Are you some sort of joke or what?

Get down on my knees you ridiculous idiot? Who do you think this guy is, Mother Teresa in disguise? He's a businessman whose motives are transactional, he gets something out of the club by putting in. It may not always be financial reward, it can be for reasons of elevating status and ego massaging which for many business people are reasons enough for starting a project.

Some of us have supported Cardiff City for years and we too have a stake in the club as a lifetime emotional investment. I would say ethically the owner of the club has an obligation to keep the fans informed of his long term intentions and plans for the club.

I'm surprised to see that no one else has picked up on the fact the chap admitted he's had what he classified as a "good" offer for the club so what is he looking for? If he's holding out for a better offer then I think he may be waiting an awful long time. If he's reluctant or unable to fund the club sufficiently to develop it then it might be a good idea to sell up. If on the other hand he genuinely felt the credentials of the person (s) making this offer were doubtful why didn't he say it? That would only boost his popularity I'd say.

I've said previously I think you're Mehmet Dalman so my question to you is why do you think two promotions resulting in two instant relegations leaving us in a weaker position is anything to gloat about?

[Since62]

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Sorry Paul my original post wasn't clear; I was at the meeting so no inside knowledge here!!

I'm pretty sure I'm not making up () but it's strange that no-one else has mentioned it. It seemed almost a throwaway comment from Choo; that we had brought someone on-board. There was a conversation around the lack of DoF. Dalman suggested that we potentially didn't need one; and then Choo started talking about the fact that David Hughes had been brought in for additional football knowledge and to allow the previous academy manager to focus on other areas of running the academy. He then made an additional comment about bringing someone in some sort of recruitment capacity. I'm sure there was a connection with Arsenal, the name Baddiel sounds right because I immediately thought of Baddiel and Skinner at the time but I potentially could've misheard. That part of the conversation then switched to Ng and Watters and were suggested as evidence of our change in tact on transfers (though was made clear that Harris was fully on-board with both).

Maybe I dreamt it .

I wasn't able to make the meeting until last minute due to something coming up at work so didn't really take any notes, etc as was a little rushed.

I think the name was Kevin Bodell and that his name was in the local media a few months as having been brought into the club but haven`t had time to search for the article concerned.

[ccfcwelshlad]

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I think the name was Kevin Bodell and that his name was in the local media a few months as having been brought into the club but haven`t had time to search for the article concerned.

You remembering Kevin helped . Beadell*

Mentioned in this article - "Head of emerging talent" - https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...-huge-19313417

[ccfcwelshlad]

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This is exactly how I heard/took, it. You are correct in every way.

PS:----- It was to long for me to print out, I only cover basics, then let others fill in the spaces I can't remember the Arsenal's fella name either

- did honestly start thinking that I had dreamt it.

[jon1959]

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You remembering Kevin helped . Beadell*

Mentioned in this article - "Head of emerging talent" - https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...-huge-19313417

Does anyone know what 'head of emerging talent' means? Is it recruitment to the Academy, or something wider than that?

The club website doesn't show Tim Henderson (scouting?) or Kevin Beadell (head of emerging talent) on its' management or club staff pages.

[Elwood Blues]

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You remembering Kevin helped . Beadell*

Mentioned in this article - "Head of emerging talent" - https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...-huge-19313417

Watch out Beadell's about

[Divine Wright]

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If he's reluctant or unable to fund the club sufficiently to develop it then it might be a good idea to sell up.

The contradiction here is plain as day. If you owned a business that was draining your funds, why wouldn't you sell it ? Cut your losses.

If his investments are fuelled solely by his love for the club , the city and its people, why the **** does he trample all over its identity and not engage in any way whatsoever with its supporters ?

I think, and this is only judging him on his actions, that he wants to own the club outright, have complete control, get it into the premier league and gain great notoriety back in Malaysia and around the world.

The problem is with such singleminded people, they will never be put off and will never be swayed from attaining their goal. Even when it is clear to everyone else that they lack the know-how to achieve this goal.

I think he has the means to keep the club bumbling along. But he will never build anything because he doesn't understand how to build something like this. He doesn't understand football, the people or the club. And neither does Mehmet for that matter.

Just to be clear , we are not talking about dishing out money, we are talking about running a football club.

[Dorcus]

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The contradiction here is plain as day. If you owned a business that was draining your funds, why wouldn't you sell it ? Cut your losses.

If his investments are fuelled solely by his love for the club , the city and its people, why the **** does he trample all over its identity and not engage in any way whatsoever with its supporters ?

I think, and this is only judging him on his actions, that he wants to own the club outright, have complete control, get it into the premier league and gain great notoriety back in Malaysia and around the world.

The problem is with such singleminded people, they will never be put off and will never be swayed from attaining their goal. Even when it is clear to everyone else that they lack the know-how to achieve this goal.

I think he has the means to keep the club bumbling along. But he will never build anything because he doesn't understand how to build something like this. He doesn't understand football, the people or the club. And neither does Mehmet for that matter.

Just to be clear , we are not talking about dishing out money, we are talking about running a football club.

Great response, and you stated the issue better than I ever did!

[Taunton Blue Genie]

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The contradiction here is plain as day. If you owned a business that was draining your funds, why wouldn't you sell it ? Cut your losses.

If his investments are fuelled solely by his love for the club , the city and its people, why the **** does he trample all over its identity and not engage in any way whatsoever with its supporters ?

I think, and this is only judging him on his actions, that he wants to own the club outright, have complete control, get it into the premier league and gain great notoriety back in Malaysia and around the world.

The problem is with such singleminded people, they will never be put off and will never be swayed from attaining their goal. Even when it is clear to everyone else that they lack the know-how to achieve this goal.

I think he has the means to keep the club bumbling along. But he will never build anything because he doesn't understand how to build something like this. He doesn't understand football, the people or the club. And neither does Mehmet for that matter.

Just to be clear , we are not talking about dishing out money, we are talking about running a football club.

[cardiff55]

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Vincent Tan is the best owner I have seen at this club since I started going to Ninian Park in 1968. The amount of money he has put in has been absolutely phenomenal. Other clubs that have owners who milk the club, or put them under like Macclesfield, Bury etc. Other owners have devious schemes of the club they own selling the ground to the owner, i think Derby and Sheffield Wednesday? Let's see how that works out for them. Tan has done none of those things, lent the club money and charged interest then written off the interest and lots of debt. We should be grateful to have him.

Football wise though, he has done well, appointed Trollope and got rid very quickly. Got Warnock in who steadied the ship and got us up, and then was poor for the PL season until he got sacked, after spending a fortune too. We have been appointing managers who were not working when the job was offered so no fees to pay out to tother clubs. Harris was OK that's it, very good after the restart but it's been terrible this season. Now McCarthy who I am sure will steady the ship and take us forward and I expect if he does well he will stay. We could have appointed a young manager who wants to develop young players and play a certain way but we don't know if it would work and we can't afford to be relegated to find out.

Mick McCarthy will get us in to the top half this season I reckon and he and the club will get my full support. I do think the club needs a 'football' man in the boardroom though, who will tell them when their are being screwed over by a club or agent when negotiating deals. And who'd work with the manager on building th e squad properly, not like Warnock's rash spending.

Admittedly a lot his spending could have been avoided and we haven't been great as a club when spending money and giving our big contracts. But we don't know how hard it is to attract players to Cardiff and therefore may have to pay more to get the players. Some of the contracts handed out have been ludicrous, like Smithies and others if the reports on salaries are true. And giving new contracts to Connolly, Bamba and Tomlin seem to be poor decision making. And the fees paid on Madine, Flint, Cunningham, Murphy and others. all transfer fees have now been devalued in the current iconic climate anyway.

Given what Tan has done it is fair to think that Dalman is a bit arsey about barbed comments about the club. It's a very difficult time at the moment as we know and still Tan keeps putting money in. A lot of clubs WILL fall by the wayside in the next year or so if the current Covid-19 situation continues.

[Bluebirdman Of Alcathays]

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Is anyone actually ungrateful for Tan's financial input? One might be indifferent or cynical but surely the only issue is the way the club is being run and if we have some kind of long term plan.