Flint released

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Flint released

Also what constitutes a good footballer?
Someone who does loads of stepovers, beats five players and shoots into the top corner from 25 yards no doubt.

If a player is in a team to do a job of stopping the opposition scoring and they don't, he has done his job.
If he gets a goal into the bargain, he is man of the match.

Good footballer or not?

Does it really matter if he is limited?
If he stops a gifted opposition player from scoring then some may think he is a good footballer, some may not, but who really cares?

It’s about getting the balance between artists and artisans right and we haven’t done that for years.

[Hilts]

Re: Flint released

Absolutely. I remember when we played the jacks and they were running us ragged in Midfield with their overload and movement. McPhail was all over the place, getting stretched and going for tackles he had no business going for, usually because he was stretching and reacting. He was sent off i think, and i really felt bad for him. Dave Jones let him down by not protecting him and allowing the game in midfied to become stretched, it was a sad sight seeing Mcphail jumping into tackles and reacting in a way that just wasn't what he was about. He was crucified by plenty of our fans as well.

He got sent off for booting the ball away in one derby. Cost us the game. We were well on top.

[Tuerto]

Re: Flint released

Also what constitutes a good footballer?
Someone who does loads of stepovers, beats five players and shoots into the top corner from 25 yards no doubt.

If a player is in a team to do a job of stopping the opposition scoring and they don't, he has done his job.
If he gets a goal into the bargain, he is man of the match.

Good footballer or not?

Does it really matter if he is limited?
If he stops a gifted opposition player from scoring then some may think he is a good footballer, some may not, but who really cares?

Stopplng players isn't that difficult a thing to do, being creative is, in fact, i'd say that's the case with most things in life.Football is changing rapidly, and the days of defenders being content in getting their arse end of a cross or a pass with little else in between just isn't enough. Obviously, sometimes during a game those type of traits are needed, but it shouldn't be the default positions it was with Flint and co because they lacked any ability to be creative. We should demand a bit more than that in my opinion.

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Flint released

Absolutely. I remember when we played the jacks and they were running us ragged in Midfield with their overload and movement. McPhail was all over the place, getting stretched and going for tackles he had no business going for, usually because he was stretching and reacting. He was sent off i think, and i really felt bad for him. Dave Jones let him down by not protecting him and allowing the game in midfied to become stretched, it was a sad sight seeing Mcphail jumping into tackles and reacting in a way that just wasn't what he was about. He was crucified by plenty of our fans as well.

He was sent off twice against the jacks.- in fact, he was sent off six times in his career and five of them were when he was playing for us.

[MacAdder]

Re: Flint released

Stopplng players isn't that difficult a thing to do, being creative is, in fact, i'd say that's the case with most things in life.Football is changing rapidly, and the days of defenders being content in getting their arse end of a cross or a pass with little else in between just isn't enough. Obviously, sometimes during a game those type of traits are needed, but it shouldn't be the default positions it was with Flint and co because they lacked any ability to be creative. We should demand a bit more than that in my opinion.

If stopping the opposition scoring isn't that difficult then why do teams lose?

We seem to be intending on demanding more than that, but it takes time, especially with limited resources.

[MacAdder]

Re: Flint released

It’s about getting the balance between artists and artisans right and we haven’t done that for years.

No argument from me there Bob.
Apparently that is all about to change

[Tuerto]

Re: Flint released

If stopping the opposition scoring isn't that difficult then why do teams lose?

We seem to be intending on demanding more than that, but it takes time, especially with limited resources.

Absolutely, it will take time. Stopping creativity is easier than being creative, defending is easier than being creative.

[MacAdder]

Re: Flint released

Absolutely, it will take time. Stopping creativity is easier than being creative, defending is easier than being creative.

No shit sherlock

[The Lone Gunman]

Re: Flint released

Anyway, where did I mention that he was a good footballer?

You didn’t. You suggested that Flint could be a fail-safe option next season when the truth is he’s never been anything like a fail-safe option during his time here. As often as not, he’s been an accident waiting to happen.

[The Lone Gunman]

Re: Flint released

Also what constitutes a good footballer?
Someone who does loads of stepovers….

Flint did plenty of step-overs during his time at City. The problem is none of them were intentional.

[life on mars]

Re: Flint released

I believe Ralls and Morrison have and the others are unlikely to communicate with the fans in the way Vaulks has in the past.

Be a bit daft Vassell putting up a goodbye message anyway.

As a side issue Vaulks does a huge amount of work for charitable/ local organisations ,more than most , and without the fanfare some seek .

[dembethewarrior]

Re: Flint released

If we are going to be in a relegation battle and the aim is to stay up id say give him a year. Id say hes still better than McGuinness , better than Nelson with Denham unproven.

If we are aiming higher then we ideally get in another centre half as well as hoping we get significant improvement in MacGuiness , Denham and maybe Collins.

Ive not seen Collins but ive seen enough of the other to that they can improve to a higher performance level.

BLUETIT

[J R Hartley]

Re: Flint released

As a side issue Vaulks does a huge amount of work for charitable/ local organisations ,more than most , and without the fanfare some seek .

So what? He can’t pass the ball and often plays one twos with advertising hoardings but at least he does some charitable work.

If we have offered him a contract it tells me all I need to know about our style of play next season.

[DubaiDai]

Re: Flint released

We've fallen some way if we're upset about Flint leaving us

I trust Morrison will follow ?

[dembethewarrior]

Re: Flint released

I trust Morrison will follow ?

Don't we have a duty of care until he is recovered from his injury?