Train strikes

[ninian opinian]

Re: Train strikes

No your right. The elephant in the room making all us working class worse off is Brexit https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-wi...-says-12638190.

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[North Cardiff Blue]

Re: Train strikes

Talk about naive! Tomorrow, Labour need to get anything from 1,500 to 3,000 people who did not vote for them in 2019 in Wakefield to do so this time - do you really think that “organising” a national rail strike is a good way to do that? Maybe that’s why Labour are losing General Elections - they should organise a General Strike for the one in 2024

They don't mean anything anyway, almost always protest votes to try and give the goverment a kick up the arse, Labour should win them both easiliy, although their is the boring Stalmer factor so you never know, but it would be a much big shock seeing a tory winner than Bale and Ramsey in City shirts.

[JamesWales]

Re: Train strikes

No your right. The elephant in the room making all us working class worse off is Brexit https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-wi...-says-12638190.

Check out the wage growth levels since leaving (and since the referendum) generally and consistently higher.

The issue is inflation at the moment.

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/wage-growth

[North Cardiff Blue]

Re: Train strikes

Check out the wage growth levels since leaving (and since the referendum) generally and consistently higher.

The issue is inflation at the moment.

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/wage-growth

Supply and demand wages were always going to go up if we can't employ cheap european labour, that was one of the main benefits, Lorry drivers are a good example.

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Train strikes

They don't mean anything anyway, almost always protest votes to try and give the goverment a kick up the arse, Labour should win them both easiliy, although their is the boring Stalmer factor so you never know, but it would be a much big shock seeing a tory winner than Bale and Ramsey in City shirts.

Labour certainly aren’t going to win the one in Devon.

[Wash DC Blue]

Re: Train strikes

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-61830923

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Train strikes

Still no one is saying why they would vote for this Government I see.

[North Cardiff Blue]

Re: Train strikes

Labour certainly aren’t going to win the one in Devon.

Probably the outgoing MP was watching tractor porn in the house of commons, there is sure to be a protest backlash!

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Train strikes

Probably the outgoing MP was watching tractor porn in the house of commons, there is sure to be a protest backlash!

It’ll go to the Lib Dems if there is though.

[North Cardiff Blue]

Re: Train strikes

It’ll go to the Lib Dems if there is though.

Oh yes true!

[dml1954]

Re: Train strikes

Talk about naive! Tomorrow, Labour need to get anything from 1,500 to 3,000 people who did not vote for them in 2019 in Wakefield to do so this time - do you really think that “organising” a national rail strike is a good way to do that? Maybe that’s why Labour are losing General Elections - they should organise a General Strike for the one in 2024

If Labour think that having a rail strike now is so bad, why did 25 of its MP’s join in on the front row of the march supporting it ? I think that you are the naive one if you think Labour is doing anything but wringing their hands in glee at the prospect. They would actually have to talk about their own non existent policies otherwise.

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Train strikes

If Labour think that having a rail strike now is so bad, why did 25 of its MP’s join in on the front row of the march supporting it ? I think that you are the naive one if you think Labour is doing anything but wringing their hands in glee at the prospect. They would actually have to talk about their own non existent policies otherwise.

I suggest you look up the meaning of “wringing their hands”, you don’t do it in glee. You really don’t get it do you, why do you think Starmer is, first, telling the shadow cabinet not to join picket lines and, second, so reluctant to back the strike? It’s because the strikes are a subject that puts his party on the defensive, just like Partygate, the cost of living crisis and stacks of other things I could mention puts the Tories on the back foot.

[Pedro de la Rosa]

Re: Train strikes

Sorry, but there's a lot of populist left-wing tropes and inaccuracies here.

1 / The wrong side of history comment is a reference to the fact that train use has fallen off a cliff (due to covid) and will in all probability never be the same again. If people want to work from home more, the result is a declining public transport. It's one of the reasons I caution against WFH.

2 / Of course, inflation always occurs, normally at a far lower level than now however.

3 / The wealth gap depends on how you look at it, but the average wage and personal tax allowance has risen far quicker under the current administration than the last one. The top rate of tax is also higher (45% v 40%) which rather undermines your party political point about the Tories wanting the gap to grow etc. That said, the pandemic and WFH is exacerbating the wealth gap considerably.

4 / Pay shouldn't be in line with inflation, it should ideally be above it. But sometimes inflation spikes, typically due to wars or other 'acts of god' and when it's caused by that its sometimes the case that we need to ride it out. Countering it with 10% pay rises across the board will probably exacerbate the problem.

5 / I agree, Mick Lynch is impressive, as was Bob Crow, but he has a job to try and protect his members, the govt' has to try and protect the entire country, and the two don't always align. Re Brexit - the RMT were prominent leave campaigners.

6 / Network Rail is publicly owned - what they make in profit goes back into the railways. The dispute is with Train operators.

Happy to be corrected on any of that. The reality, unfortunately is that very very little of the current inflation rate is caused by UK based policy decisions and thus much of it cannot be solved in that way. Political opponents will exploit the situation, but if you want the problem solved, you have to diagnose it properly. Inflation is happening near everywhere, so clearly it isn't caused by the Tories.

Maybe the union will win. Maybe it won't, but giving the country a 10% pay rise to solve a temporary spike in inflation is not the answer, unfortunately. I wish it was, but it isn't.

We are told to not ask for more pay, while Boris is going to remove caps on the banker's bonuses.

We all need to "suck it up", while MPs pay has increased by 20% in the last 10 years. Network Rail and rail executives take home millions. Most of the train companies make millions, and they are all privately owned.

Re wealth inequality: https://www.ft.com/content/d52743ca-...f-8281230a21b5
That's the FT, not some left wing rag.

UK inflation rates have been 2.5%, 2.3%, 1.74%, 0.99% and now 10% plus. The train staff have had a 0% increase in this time. They're also threatened with fire and rehire. If NR are publicly owned, and make 500m profit, surely they can pay their staff a decent wage?

The Tories are happy to give 11bn and plus to their mates. They've wasted billions more on mismanagement. Rishi Sunak is absolute as useful as a chocolate fire guard when it comes to the finances of this country. They have done nothing to help the economy, only feed off it like vultures. Which is Sunak's MO. That's how he made his money in the first place.

if anyone votes Tory in 2024, they need their heads checking or they're filthy rich. And by the way, DML is on your side.

[Claude Blue]

Re: Train strikes

If Labour think that having a rail strike now is so bad, why did 25 of its MP’s join in on the front row of the march supporting it ? I think that you are the naive one if you think Labour is doing anything but wringing their hands in glee at the prospect. They would actually have to talk about their own non existent policies otherwise.

It comes as no surprise that you have a slavish and sycophantic adherence to this Tory government as much as you do to the management of Cardiff City!

You are the perfect drone that the likes of Johnson, Rees Mogg, Patel, et al rely on. Lynton Crosby would love you, as I'm sure would Vincent Tan.

You seem incapable of any independent thought, a cap doffing worker bee obedient to your master.

Here's a tip. You can occasionally be critical of your political party, football team, boss, etc. In fact it's healthy to do so.

[life on mars]

Re: Train strikes

I think the strikes are organised you easily see and hear that from the various Union Leaders who are not dismissing the chance of joined up strike tactics this summer .

Feeding of the world's issue and pandemic is a clever but thoughtless tactic , some folk are just about adjusting post lockdown Covid they now face more restrictions from the working forces that were paid 100% in pay during Covid many working from home ..


The Tories are attempting to link it Starmer is a tactic to expose the uneasy alliance within the Labour Party..

Labour MP's on picket lines won't help the current leadership, it will though benefit the more left leaning members waiting to ditch Sir Kier and instal a watered down Corbyn candidate..

Teachers now balloting for inflation plus rises .. one union leader mentioned 21% ??

Fill yer boots time, guess who will pay for all these rises ??

Public sector inflation plus rises will cost 20 to 25 billion pa