Roe v Wade

[blue matt]

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You said many of them did good things

I would argue people of no faith do plenty of good things which are completely altruistic

People do good things because they are good people ......not because they are religious or called to by God

so people who do good because of the faith they have would ultimately done the same good deed without faith, we of course can not prove that, they could well have done the same good deed, but if faith pushes / persuades them to do good / better themselves then surely you can see no harm in that

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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I don't think all Christians, as is the same for all religions, should be tarred with the same brush. There's good and bad in all walks of life. Just as religious people don't have a monopoly on being able to do good.

As I said , misguided would have been kinder

The question here is if religion wasn't such a force in right wing America......would yesterdays shocking decision have happened ?

Obviously not

It's certainly not a force for good in so many respects

[PontBlue]

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People do good things because they are good people ......not because they are religious or called to by God

I believe some people who are religious do good things because of their faith and their hoped for destination wherever that may be not because they want to do good things.

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so we judge everyone on the actions of a minority , fair enough

I bet the majority of Christians support the abolition of abortion in America

And lots here too

It's certainly not a minority

Do you think it's just a few nutters ?

[Dave Blue]

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Well clearly religion is doing a whole lot of harm .......and not giving comfort but spreading hate ......in the American abortion debate

And all over the world in examples such as the persecution of homosexuals in Africa and The Middle East

Did Jesus spread hate? I suggest the hate spreaders who claim to be Christians don’t understand Christianity any more than you do.

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I believe some people who are religious do good things because of their faith and their hoped for destination wherever that may be not because they want to do good things.

Well we can remove religion then and just all be good

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Did Jesus spread hate? I suggest the hate spreaders who claim to be Christians don’t understand Christianity any more than you do.

I have no idea wether he spread hate or not . All we have is written by people hundreds of years after his apparent death .that's if he existed.

[PontBlue]

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As I said , misguided would have been kinder

The question here is if religion wasn't such a force in right wing America......would yesterdays shocking decision have happened ?

Obviously not

It's certainly not a force for good in so many respects

It absolutely wouldn't have happened had some Christians not been able to galvanise a movement and effectively take over one of the two political parties in the US (and the courts).

People who use religion for their own gains causes so many problems (wars, persecution, division, etc). Greed is the other main cause.

[Dave Blue]

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I have no idea wether he spread hate or not . All we have is written by people hundreds of years after his apparent death .that's if he existed.

Ok then. Do you think Robin Hood was a good man?

[Dave Blue]

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Ok then. Do you think Robin Hood was a good man?

What about Atilla the Hun?

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It absolutely wouldn't have happened had some Christians not been able to galvanise a movement and effectively take over one of the two political parties in the US (and the courts).

People who use religion for their own gains causes so many problems (wars, persecution, division, etc) as well as being a force for good. Greed is the other main cause.

The thing is , these people in many cases believe that their anti abortion stance is taught them by God .

I think the point I am trying to make here is the existence and influence of religion is the problem in American society , maybe not the stupidity of the American courts

Just get rid of all of it

[Dave Blue]

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I have no idea wether he spread hate or not . All we have is written by people hundreds of years after his apparent death .that's if he existed.

After you’ve answered the other questions above, just pretend for a moment that what you have read about Jesus was about a real person, was he good or bad in your view? Or is your view so ignorant that you regularly pronounce on something you have absolutely no knowledge of?

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Ok then. Do you think Robin Hood was a good man?

Was he one of the disciples ?

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After you’ve answered the other questions above, just pretend for a moment that what you have read about Jesus was about a real person, was he good or bad in your view? Or is your view so ignorant that you regularly pronounce on something you have absolutely no knowledge of?

What knowledge do you have of someone who ....apparently .....lived 2000 years ago .....that I don't have ?


How can I be ignorant of for example his miracles .....when there is no evidence they took place and there is no evidence of God carrying out his work to this day ? How can I be ignorant ? It's no good coming up with assertions that need to be based on fact ....when you have none .

[Dave Blue]

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What knowledge do you have of someone who ....apparently .....lived 2000 years ago .....that I don't have ?


How can I be ignorant of for example his miracles .....when there is no evidence they took place and there is no evidence of God carrying out his work to this day ? How can I be ignorant ? It's no good coming up with assertions that need to be based on fact ....when you have none .

I rest my case and give up. Good night.