Roe v Wade

[William Treseder]

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I’m not against abortion, but something that always puzzles me, is we pass a law that allows a human life to be terminated, where the human has obviously no say in the matter, yet we don’t allow a human of sound mind, suffering from excruciating pain and no quality of life, to decide on terminating their own life. ??

[Wales-Bales]

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Women have abortions for good reasons. They don't just fancy killing a human.

If a woman is pregnated through rape, why should her only choice be to carry the baby for 9 months and deliver it?

Is this fact or opinion, because I know a few girls who just wanted to enjoy life without any consequences.

[Tito Fuente]

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Is this fact or opinion, because I know a few girls who just wanted to enjoy life without any consequences.

I don't believe this for a second.

There's no way that you know a few girls

[Wales-Bales]

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I’m not against abortion, but something that always puzzles me, is we pass a law that allows a human life to be terminated, where the human has obviously no say in the matter, yet we don’t allow a human of sound mind, suffering from excruciating pain and no quality of life, to decide on terminating their own life. ??

Life is full of complexities, some people will argue for rights in specific circumstances, based on political ideology.

[Citizen's Nephew]

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So would you condone the indiscriminate killing that occurs in the non-human animal kingdom, i.e. legalise murder?

There is no non-human animal kingdom until humans become extinct. I don't remember seeing Meerkats with AK47s on any of Attenborough's programs.

I'm happy to debate but your question doesn't make any sense to me.

[Citizen's Nephew]

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Is this fact or opinion, because I know a few girls who just wanted to enjoy life without any consequences.

I didn't ask to be born in the first place. Not that it would have made any difference because I wouldn't have been sentient at the time.

Anyway, I'm off to deal with this quantum singularity that's been bugging me for a while.

Edit: and a life without consequences sounds awesome. In fact, if I wasn't alive, I wouldn't be in so much f*cking pain. It's kind of a circular argument.

[delmbox]

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Also all this from a country with no universal healthcare. So a young woman who maybe can't afford medical insurance would now be forced into giving birth, which on average costs between $5000 and $11000 out there if it's a vaginal pregnancy with no complications. If it's a C Section then make it between $7500 and $14000. God help you if the baby's premature, or needs aftercare.

So now this young mother now has a baby, thousands upon thousands of dollar of debt and all the cost involved with raising a child ahead of her. What sort of life is that kid going to have? And all because some dinosaurs who pretend they give a shit about life think they have the right to tell women what to do with their bodies. It's disgusting.

[AfricanBluebird]

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The democrats are usually weak in the face of republican tactics, but I think this is unfair. Could Obama have 'ploughed on'? How? McConnell blocked it because he could and made sure he got his appointments because he could. How did democrats have the numbers to stop those appointments?

There's two parties in the US. One is very clearly to blame for this decision. It doesn't seem right to me to blame the other.

Obama made an election promise in 2007 that would enshrined Roe v Wade into federal law, thus removing the ability to challenge it as a precedent, which is how the supreme court works.

Obama could have also continued with his pick despite McConnell trying to block it.
. You can't block a presidents pick, just vote against it at confirmation, and Obama could have likely picked someone whom a few republicans would have voted for, thus confirming the pick.

RBG, she could have stepped down knowing how Ill she was, allowing Obama a pick...

I think the problem is Democrats play nice and adhere to some standards expected in office... republicans don't. So I agree republicans are primarily to blame, the ineffectual approach and foresight of the democrats make it much easier for them.

[AfricanBluebird]

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Just imagine... A woman who seeks an abortion for being pregnant due to rape could be imprisoned for longer than the rapist, that is if he's caught at all...There is a 50.8% chance of an arrest for a reported rape and an 80% chance of prosecution (of the 50% arrested).

[AfricanBluebird]

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Ironically the most vocal anti abortions voices are ultra religious evangelicals who seem to ignore the Bible, Numbers 5, which advocates for forced miscarriages (to be done by priests using poisonous water) if a woman becomes pregnant by another man other than her husband.

Also, twitter is exploding of women speaking out naming ardent pro life republican senators (or their sons) who paid for them, even forced them to have an abortion.

Ivanka Trumps college friends are also calling her out asking why she's so quiet about abortions when she wasn't so quiet when they took her to have an abortion in college.

The hypocrisy is astounding

It's funny how conservative evangelical males are so pro life until they get the wrong woman pregnant

[ToTaL ITK]

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The embryo is host to the body. what happens if the embryo dies in the host body (still born) is that then also murder.
Get a grip people. And in this whole scenario it is women once again that are held accountable!! Not the guy who popped his wad into her.

[NYCBlue]

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Too bad you didn't weigh in earlier with your certainty. This is the very issue that has been debated in the United States since 1973. You could have saved Americans a lot of trouble. It would help, though, if you could further clarify when the 'foetus' does become a 'baby.' Is it the moment of birth, as contrasted with one second or one minute earlier? Is it the point of "viability?" Is it conception? America has wrestled passionately and sincerely with these profound issues. The Supreme Court has said, essentially, 'We don't know, and will no longer pretend to know. The people can decide for themselves, in their particular states.'

The people can decide? No, they can't. That's the point. The decision has been taken out of the hands of the women, who will now carry and bear children whether they want to or not. Rape, incest, life-threatening circumstances are no longer factor.

[NYCBlue]

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Also all this from a country with no universal healthcare. So a young woman who maybe can't afford medical insurance would now be forced into giving birth, which on average costs between $5000 and $11000 out there if it's a vaginal pregnancy with no complications. If it's a C Section then make it between $7500 and $14000. God help you if the baby's premature, or needs aftercare.

So now this young mother now has a baby, thousands upon thousands of dollar of debt and all the cost involved with raising a child ahead of her. What sort of life is that kid going to have? And all because some dinosaurs who pretend they give a shit about life think they have the right to tell women what to do with their bodies. It's disgusting.

This. Rich white girls will continue to have safe abortions no matter what state they live in. Brett Kavanagh has two teenage daughters. You think if they end up at some frat party and meet Brett Kavanagh 2.0 they'll carry a baby to term before they're 20. No ****ing way.

[RichardM]

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That's where the politics come into it, people have different views.

The constitution gives the individual states certain powers over the federal government to stop overreach, hence the reason why I asked if this matter can be resolved without the involvements of politics.

Of course it can't be resolved without the involvement of politics.
Politics (from Greek: Πολιτικά, politiká, 'affairs of the cities') is the set of activities that are associated with making decisions in groups, or other forms of power relations among individuals,

[life on mars]

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On reading up on this decision it appears its not totally band In the USA, they have returned the decision back to the states / people, for example some states will allow it up to 15 weeks others won't? Some see view 22 weeks as too much ,as do some European countries.. ??

If those states are so strongly opposed they could vote out those politicians who are against abortion ..

It's of Interest up to 2018 it was illegal in Eire.

France its up to 12 weeks as is most Europe

UK is 24 weeks .

Japan is illegal with some allowance..

This is intresting, list seems USA is not alone

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-where-abortion-is-illegal