What a shocking decision

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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I'm not surprised it doesn't rile you. Still, at least you can start a thread on Boris jogging into a hotel, eh?

It's completely wrong that we cannot deport people like this, and spend huge sums on supporting them.

Quick couple of questions for you.

Where would you deport anyone who, in the eyes of the law, is a UK citizen and has no other nationalities?

What would immigration control of the receiving country say and do if we tried to leave a convicted criminal on their soil?

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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they are citizens of this country, or they would be

They are. They've renounced their Pakistani citizenships. We can debate whether that should be allowed in situations like this, but if they are only UK citizens then the answer about deportation is clear cut.

[jon1959]

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It's unbelievable. The lengths some lawyers will go to to keep paedophiles in this country.

Is that a straight headline lift from the Express or the Mail?

'Mr Balance' turns into right-wing red top populist ranter?

I don't think anyone will have the slightest sympathy for these vile scumbags, but it is the job of their lawyers to represent them at the Tribunal and ensure as far as they can though their arguments that the law is properly applied and the final decision is made on the basis of a full understanding of any relevant facts.

That protects the rest of us - not just their clients. I thought you believed in the rule of law - for everyone?

If you don't like the law or its application blame the politicians. They can change that.

But turning on lawyers (I assume here publicly funded and allocated the case) just for doing their job is shit.

[JamesWales]

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Usual suspects turning out.

Some of us will get angry about the head of a paedophile grooming gang receiving hundreds of thousands of taxpayers money to fight deportation on technicalities, having got away with his crimes for years.

You guys can find a tweet somewhere or something.

Deal?

[Rjk]

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Usual suspects turning out.

Some of us will get angry about the head of a paedophile grooming gang receiving hundreds of thousands of taxpayers money to fight deportation on technicalities, having got away with his crimes for years.

You guys can find a tweet somewhere or something.

Deal?

maybe your anger should be directed at the home office for wasting money trying to deport people with British citizenship, who had such an easy way to get out of it, rather than the lawyers who were just doing their job.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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These are awful crimes but so are those involving extreme violence such as armed robbery

But these fellas find God, turn over a new leaf and write a book or teach other prisoners to read etc

And out they come .....oh he's got a good heart , he's loves his mum

Wtf is all that about

The cashier that he held a sawn off to during the Bank job is still under the care of her psychiatrist for trauma !

[rudy gestede]

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Usual suspects turning out.

Some of us will get angry about the head of a paedophile grooming gang receiving hundreds of thousands of taxpayers money to fight deportation on technicalities, having got away with his crimes for years.

You guys can find a tweet somewhere or something.

Deal?

Some of us understand how the law works and that rare stories like this will be used to try and undermine it by using the rhetoric that gets certain people whipped up into a frenzy.

Tax payers money should be used in cases like this because it should be used in all cases, because more often than not it’s a just use.

Don’t get angry about the odd case like this be proud of the 99% of times when it has value.

You might try and come across as some kind of balanced centrist but as usual with cases like this the mask slips and shows an uneducated xenophobe who gets whipped into a frenzy.

[JamesWales]

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Some of us understand how the law works and that rare stories like this will be used to try and undermine it by using the rhetoric that gets certain people whipped up into a frenzy.

Tax payers money should be used in cases like this because it should be used in all cases, because more often than not it’s a just use.

Don’t get angry about the odd case like this be proud of the 99% of times when it has value.

You might try and come across as some kind of balanced centrist but as usual with cases like this the mask slips and shows an uneducated xenophobe who gets whipped into a frenzy.

Absolute nonsense - Thats what you guys use when you can't win an argument. Claim xenophobia. This is a guy with dual citizenship and should be deported. If he doesn't want his British citizenship removed, then he shouldn't groom and rape children.

And yes, I am well aware that the law is being used to keep him here and at what cost that brings, and we are all aware who supports that. The law is complex works in many ways - not all decisions are morally right, or else you would be on the Roe v Wade discussion forum smugly telling everyone "some of us understand how the law works". But you aren't, you are here telling that to people who want someone deported who has caused utter misery and ruined the lives of hundreds of vulnerable girls.

[rudy gestede]

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This is a guy with dual citizenship and should be deported. If he doesn't want his British citizenship removed, then he shouldn't groom and rape children.

Which bit of British law allows citizenship to be revoked then?

I want them punished by the full extent of the law and they are. I’m not defending them I’m defending the law. No one in here is defending peadophiles they are just saying you can’t just revoke the citizenship of someone and just deport them, otherwise why not just deport every criminal?

What the **** has roe vs wade and the American Supreme Court got to do with this? what a reach ffs

[rudy gestede]

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So does everyone think criminals should always be punished in the country they were born in?

[LeningradCowboy]

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Which bit of British law allows citizenship to be revoked then?

I want them punished by the full extent of the law and they are. I’m not defending them I’m defending the law. No one in here is defending peadophiles they are just saying you can’t just revoke the citizenship of someone and just deport them, otherwise why not just deport every criminal?

What the **** has roe vs wade and the American Supreme Court got to do with this? what a reach ffs

Section 40 of the British Nationality Act 1981.

[JamesWales]

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Which bit of British law allows citizenship to be revoked then?

I want them punished by the full extent of the law and they are. I’m not defending them I’m defending the law. No one in here is defending peadophiles they are just saying you can’t just revoke the citizenship of someone and just deport them, otherwise why not just deport every criminal?

What the **** has roe vs wade and the American Supreme Court got to do with this? what a reach ffs

I mention Roe v Wade, as an example of how the law is complex but also moral.

It absolutely is within the law to overturn Roe v Wade but you weren't on that thread telling people upset about it that "you understand the law and they dont" I mention it not to compare the two, but to highlight the inconsistency in your response

And yes, of course, I fully understand that you don't endorse what they did. That goes without saying

[rudy gestede]

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I don’t post in every thread I don’t see how that’s relevant at all ffs. I don’t really post in any thread because it’s always so obvious how certain people react.

In a moral world these guys would be locked up forever but there’s a very good reason why that doesn’t happen. We can’t just deport them because we’d like it.

[Canton Kev]

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These are awful crimes but so are those involving extreme violence such as armed robbery

But these fellas find God, turn over a new leaf and write a book or teach other prisoners to read etc

And out they come .....oh he's got a good heart , he's loves his mum

Wtf is all that about

The cashier that he held a sawn off to during the Bank job is still under the care of her psychiatrist for trauma !

What’s your point? Every crime should be punished with life in prison?