Sunak

[jeepster]

Re: Sunak

They are both horrible horrible choices.
Now is the time for a Mick Lynch to step up.

If only :thumbup:

[life on mars]

Re: Sunak

ALL TOWNS MATTER !

Indeed so why would Labour then feel the need to focus more funding and energy on urban cities rather than other cities or areas not so urban , as it seems they had a funding formulas that did just that ?? Unless there is evidence to contradict this ?? ..


It seems to me both parties know where their guaranteed vote base is and divide it on those lines .

Labour know they have a secure base in the urban ethnic metropolitan areas , so apease that base..

Tories view the neglected underfunded smaller Cities/ Areas of the North East , Midlands that Labour lost interest in somehow and those middle English suburbs.

As I see it they are as selective as each other ...

This is where the success of Blairism kicked in , it cleverly joined those areas together , then Labour decided not to build or better Blair , it just decided to implode on itself... and here we are today 2022 still single digits between the parties , an incredible sad state of affairs really as they should be making huge gains ??

[Lither_1927]

Re: Sunak

ha ha ha ha,,tell me when i can stop laughing

You don't know anything about the Conservative party or Thatcher rite free market economics if you think her low tax pitch is just a ruse. I'm not saying she's definitely right to cut taxes at this time as it's a complicated topic, but she genuinely believes it is the right thing to do. That's what fiscal Conservatives do...

[Claude Blue]

Re: Sunak

I wonder what the fuss is all about. Surely these are core Tory values and the raison d'etre for these people's entry into politics.

True levelling up requires wholesale redistribution of assets and more. The object of Tory politicians is to prevent it happening so as to protect their type of people from it affecting them.

This is why the politics of Boris Johnson were never going to work - he was appealing to two very different electorates.

To one group he promised billions in "levelling up" and the other he assured them he'd deliver tax cuts and a small state. It still amazes me how so many fell for this con trick. He was always going to let down one group and it's hardly a surprise that his premiership was a disaster.

It looks like Truss is trying to sell the same nonsense and is clearly as unprincipled as Johnson.

Sunak is slightly more realistic but showed his true colours earlier, a sort of reverse Robin Hood.

What a time to be alive.

[The Bloop]

Re: Sunak

I’m not going to call Sunak ascumbag, vermin etc - I look at that and think he’s bonkers and has no clue how to relate to ordinary people - surely it’s just basic politics not to be caught saying things like that?

Exactly. People film and record everything these days, even if speakers aren't aware. If they say anything slightly off its out in the open.

[sneggyblubird]

Re: Sunak

They'll cross out Sunak and Truss on their ballot papers and vote Boris back in.:hehe:

[ABLUEBIRD]

Re: Sunak

Would you vote for this scumbag?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62436193

What’s the alternative??

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Sunak

What’s the alternative??

Liz Truss

But I can't stand the Tories and would rather be shot than vote for them

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Re: Sunak

Liz Truss

But I can't stand the Tories and would rather be shot than vote for them

I suppose one benefit of the Tories veering further to the right is that there's more middle ground for Labour to mop up, even with the inept Starmer. I genuinely feel that there are some who feel that Britain is now a right wing country, particularly after Brexit, but it's not true at all. Theresa May couldn't get an overall majority against Corbyn. Johnson, the class clown, appealed to lots of people, not because he was a Tory, but because he'd spent years creating his image on TV. There's nobody in the Conservative Party capable of wooing the electorate like Johnson. Sadly, there are few elsewhere in any party capable of it, either.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Sunak

I suppose one benefit of the Tories veering further to the right is that there's more middle ground for Labour to mop up, even with the inept Starmer. I genuinely feel that there are some who feel that Britain is now a right wing country, particularly after Brexit, but it's not true at all. Theresa May couldn't get an overall majority against Corbyn. Johnson, the class clown, appealed to lots of people, not because he was a Tory, but because he'd spent years creating his image on TV. There's nobody in the Conservative Party capable of wooing the electorate like Johnson. Sadly, there are few elsewhere in any party capable of it, either.

The Tories sometimes manage to pull 4 out of 10 voters and that's enough as the opposition is divided .

That still means that 6 out of 10 people who vote don't vote Tory

So if the tory stranglehold on power is to be loosened we need a decent labour party, a decent liberal party or a united opposition .

[life on mars]

Re: Sunak

The Tories sometimes manage to pull 4 out of 10 voters and that's enough as the opposition is divided .

That still means that 6 out of 10 people who vote don't vote Tory

So if the tory stranglehold on power is to be loosened we need a decent labour party, a decent liberal party or a united opposition .

And Tony Blair

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Sunak

And Tony Blair

I think if Labour had a decent leader ......and before he invaded Iraq Blair was that man .....it would probably have enough in the tank to defeat the Tories.

But not with Starmer in charge . That's my view . He's not up to it .

[life on mars]

Re: Sunak

I think if Labour had a decent leader ......and before he invaded Iraq Blair was that man .....it would probably have enough in the tank to defeat the Tories.

But not with Starmer in charge . That's my view . He's not up to it .

Spot on

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Sunak

The Tories sometimes manage to pull 4 out of 10 voters and that's enough as the opposition is divided .

That still means that 6 out of 10 people who vote don't vote Tory

So if the tory stranglehold on power is to be loosened we need a decent labour party, a decent liberal party or a united opposition .

Put like that, it’s bleeding obvious that we need proportional representation not just to get the Tories out, but also to ensure a fairer representation of what the voters wanted.

[Forest Green Bluebird]

Re: Sunak

Put like that, it’s bleeding obvious that we need proportional representation not just to get the Tories out, but also to ensure a fairer representation of what the voters wanted.

Proportional representation is an electoral system in which the distribution of seats corresponds closely with the proportion of the total votes cast for each party. For example, if a party gained 40% of the total votes, a perfectly proportional system would allow them to gain 40% of the seats.

This would mean that lots of constituencies in a general election would be represented by an MP who failed to gain the most votes.

Would that be an acceptable scenario in your constituency?