West Ham

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Re: West Ham

We sold out 40k for the FA Cup final in a season we were averaging 13k crowds. We were selling out 33k when facing relegation in the Premier League.

If we won the PL 10 times in a row we’d be moving to the Millennium Stadium.

Absolutely. We'd sell it out as well. Sludge reckons we'd be having crowds of 4k if we were relegated.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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We took 40k for the FA Cup final in a season we were averaging 13k crowds and could’ve taken more. We were selling out 33k when facing relegation in the Premier League.

If we won the PL 10 times in a row we’d be moving to the Millennium Stadium.

Glory seekers

I know plenty of so called Cardiff fans who pleaded for fa cup final tickets and have barely watched us since

The fact we were only getting gates of 13000 or so in the championship surely shows you that we simply don't have the support the bigger clubs have ?

We returned 1500 tickets to Middlesborough when we beat them to get to Wembley

Again that tells a story to anyone except the most one eyed of Cardiff fans

We got good gates in the Premier league but they don't stick around do they ?

Against Norwich we had a crowd of just under 20000 with 1500 or so Norwich

18500 home fans

Swansea City had around 16000 home fans on Saturday

Now people may not like this but part of our problem is embarrassing ourselves thinking we are a bigger club than we actually are . We are , given that Swansea is a much smaller populated area , a club of similar size . I can't stand the jacks but you don't hear them talking about getting big crowds .

When hammam was here he and his followers were talking about huge crowds of 60000 !

I can't believe people are still doing it , it really is embarrassing 😳

[Canton Kev]

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Glory seekers

I know plenty of so called Cardiff fans who pleaded for fa cup final tickets and have barely watched us since

The fact we were only getting gates of 13000 or so in the championship surely shows you that we simply don't have the support the bigger clubs have ?

We returned 1500 tickets to Middlesborough when we beat them to get to Wembley

Again that tells a story to anyone except the most one eyed of Cardiff fans

We got good gates in the Premier league but they don't stick around do they ?

Against Norwich we had a crowd of just under 20000 with 1500 or so Norwich

18500 home fans

Swansea City had around 16000 home fans on Saturday

Now people may not like this but part of our problem is embarrassing ourselves thinking we are a bigger club than we actually are . We are , given that Swansea is a much smaller populated area , a club of similar size . I can't stand the jacks but you don't hear them talking about getting big crowds .

When hammam was here he and his followers were talking about huge crowds of 60000 !

I can't believe people are still doing it , it really is embarrassing 😳

Yeah you’ve cracked it. We wouldn’t get any glory seekers for winning the PL 10 times in a row.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Absolutely. We'd sell it out as well. Sludge reckons we'd be having crowds of 4k if we were relegated.

The only way that the millennium stadium would be full for a football match would be to get Liverpool or Man United to play there .

There are plenty of football fans around here but sadly most of them are not Cardiff fans .

I wish it wasn't true , I would love to see a successful Cardiff City , supported by the crowds you talk about but its never going to happen .

Sorry .

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Yeah you’ve cracked it. We wouldn’t get any glory seekers for winning the PL 10 times in a row.

Our fans emerge out of the woodwork for the big games ......take the fa Cup, carling Cup etc ......then vanish

The history of Cardiff City crowds don't tell of these huge crowds , they show a region capable of getting good gates for big games but then a return to moderate support.

It's always been this way .

[Canton Kev]

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Our fans emerge out of the woodwork for the big games ......take the fa Cup, carling Cup etc ......then vanish

The history of Cardiff City crowds don't tell of these huge crowds , they show a region capable of getting good gates for big games but then a return to moderate support.

It's always been this way .

True, you’ve conceived me. A Premier League title challenge is more in line with a championship fixture against Norwich than a major cup final.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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Our fans emerge out of the woodwork for the big games ......take the fa Cup, carling Cup etc ......then vanish

The history of Cardiff City crowds don't tell of these huge crowds , they show a region capable of getting good gates for big games but then a return to moderate support.

It's always been this way .

It's that way for most clubs at our level. The only clubs at our level who still get the best gates are the ones who have had sustained presence in the PL.

I'm getting a bit fed up of discussing crowds with you. Your knowledge of football crowds beyond the 90s clearly hasn't improved. There is no evidence of our crowds plummeting to 90s levels. There is plenty of evidence to suggest that if we were PL regulars, we would soon outgrow the CCS. This is the same for so many clubs, not just us. I can see it. The data proves it.

[Packerman]

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It's that way for most clubs at our level. The only clubs at our level who still get the best gates are the ones who have had sustained presence in the PL.

I'm getting a bit fed up of discussing crowds with you. Your knowledge of football crowds beyond the 90s clearly hasn't improved. There is no evidence of our crowds plummeting to 90s levels. There is plenty of evidence to suggest that if we were PL regulars, we would soon outgrow the CCS. This is the same for so many clubs, not just us. I can see it. The data proves it.

yet again sludge clueless on his favourite subject, Cardiff crowds and now also West Ham crowds

its been explained why West Hams crowds have been lower, council restrictions, they are a big club support wise, the Boleyn ground was great but they outgrew the capacity, the will easily sustain an average of 60000 all season,support for them in East London and Essex is massive
As for Cardiff Sludge just cannot grasp that we have NEVER had sustained success and that's what builds higher support base, getting to the prem and staying there would easily see us fill CCS on a weekly basic,

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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yet again sludge clueless on his favourite subject, Cardiff crowds and now also West Ham crowds

its been explained why West Hams crowds have been lower, council restrictions, they are a big club support wise, the Boleyn ground was great but they outgrew the capacity, the will easily sustain an average of 60000 all season,support for them in East London and Essex is massive
As for Cardiff Sludge just cannot grasp that we have NEVER had sustained success and that's what builds higher support base, getting to the prem and staying there would easily see us fill CCS on a weekly basic,

You are another deluded Cardiff City fan , the type the jacks take the piss out of on a regular basis

When we were in the lower leagues some of our fans , the likes of you clearly , would say oh wait till we get back into the championship , watch our crowds then ! , huge , sell outs , potential , sleeping giant and all that bollocks 😴

Our first crowd back v Bradford? , including 500 of them ......16421

17 years away from any sort of success .....we get some .......and that's the sort of crowd we get

Basically what Cardiff fans like you are saying is yes we can get big crowds .......but only if we are doing well

That's a pretty poor defence 😕

As for West Ham I don't think they will be getting 60000 gates for long

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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It's that way for most clubs at our level. The only clubs at our level who still get the best gates are the ones who have had sustained presence in the PL.

I'm getting a bit fed up of discussing crowds with you. Your knowledge of football crowds beyond the 90s clearly hasn't improved. There is no evidence of our crowds plummeting to 90s levels. There is plenty of evidence to suggest that if we were PL regulars, we would soon outgrow the CCS. This is the same for so many clubs, not just us. I can see it. The data proves it.

The data proves that considering we have a catchment area of about 1 million , with no other professional club to compete with , this club does not get crowds on a regular basis to justify us being mooted as a big club , even by championship standards

I know this hurts people , we would all love CCFC to be getting better support from the locals but it's always been the same

Even a successful Cardiff City doesn't seem to hold onto its support . People fight to get season tickets when we go up but after the inevitable relegation 15000 of them disappear . I almost feel that locally people are there to watch the big teams as much as they are to watch us .

Cardiff fans and some of our players believe their own hype .....big club , massive club etc

We are no bigger than Swansea , Plymouth , Bristol , Coventry etc

It's sad but it's true

[Canton Kev]

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The data proves that considering we have a catchment area of about 1 million , with no other professional club to compete with , this club does not get crowds on a regular basis to justify us being mooted as a big club , even by championship standards

I know this hurts people , we would all love CCFC to be getting better support from the locals but it's always been the same

Even a successful Cardiff City doesn't seem to hold onto its support . People fight to get season tickets when we go up but after the inevitable relegation 15000 of them disappear . I almost feel that locally people are there to watch the big teams as much as they are to watch us .

Cardiff fans and some of our players believe their own hype .....big club , massive club etc

We are no bigger than Swansea , Plymouth , Bristol , Coventry etc

It's sad but it's true

If we won the Premier League 10 years running what crowds do you think we’d get?

[A Quiet Monkfish]

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West Ham were getting 34k average crowds at the Boleyn Ground. I seriously doubt there were 25k every week desperately trying to get what spare tickets were available for home games. They haven't had a fan base above that and were averaging around 22k in the early days of the PL.
I think there's just such an enormous catchment area withing Greater London [9 million], and a culture of staying within the area for any form of recreation - whereas we may head off to the coast/countryside - that to have the opportunity to watch PL football 20 odd times a season, even though you weren't really a WHU fan, is an attractive proposition. It's definitely a 'London' thing.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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Even a successful Cardiff City doesn't seem to hold onto its support . People fight to get season tickets when we go up but after the inevitable relegation 15000 of them disappear .

We lost 6.6k after our first relegation and 8.6k after our second. Both times that was around 25% of our fan base. Such drops in attendance are not unusual by any means. I'll happily repeat myself again and say that virtually the only clubs that have not suffered drops in attendance after relegation from the PL are those who have enjoyed a long history in the top division. There are sides who have enjoyed more top flight football than us over the last 50 years that have seen crowds drop by more than ours has.

[North Cardiff Blue]

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We lost 6.6k after our first relegation and 8.6k after our second. Both times that was around 25% of our fan base. Such drops in attendance are not unusual by any means. I'll happily repeat myself again and say that virtually the only clubs that have not suffered drops in attendance after relegation from the PL are those who have enjoyed a long history in the top division. There are sides who have enjoyed more top flight football than us over the last 50 years that have seen crowds drop by more than ours has.

Norwich probably keep a lot of theirs, they get battered every week in the Premier, we know how that feels and normally batter everyone in the Championship, so they probably enjoy it more?

Glad to see them not finding it easy so far this season, long may it continue!

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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Norwich probably keep a lot of theirs, they get battered every week in the Premier, we know how that feels and normally batter everyone in the Championship, so they probably enjoy it more?

Glad to see them not finding it easy so far this season, long may it continue!

Norwich's support was maintained even when they went down to League 1. Other sides like Leicester and Southampton saw their crowds drop.

From the mid 70s Norwich spent 20 out of 23 seasons in the top division. Their support didn't wobble in the 80s and 90s like most. I guess there isn't a lot else to do in that part of the world, that the football club is a huge part of the community.