Robert Glatzel

[The Lone Gunman]

Re: Robert Glatzel

I think his goal scoring exploits says more about the standard of German second tier football, than it does about Robert Glatzel.

And yet a young midfielder who could barely get a kick at Hamburg during the first half of last season walked straight into City's Championship side in January and was one of the team's better performers for the rest of the campaign.

Meanwhile, a 28 year-old left-back who had been playing at a mid-ranking Bundesliga 2 club for the previous four seasons looked one of the best players on the pitch when City beat Norwich a couple of weeks ago.

What does that say about the standard of the Championship by comparison to Bundesliga 2?

[Rock_Flock_of_Five]

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And yet a young midfielder who could barely get a kick at Hamburg during the first half of last season walked straight into City's Championship side in January and was one of the team's better performers for the rest of the campaign.

Meanwhile, a 28 year-old left-back who had been playing at a mid-ranking Bundesliga 2 club for the previous four seasons looked one of the best players on the pitch when City beat Norwich a couple of weeks ago.

What does that say about the standard of the Championship by comparison to Bundesliga 2?

Do you think perhaps Glatzel was hard done-by during his time at the City?
Maybe we didn't play to his strengths (whatever they might have been)?

To me, he was one-paced, as weak as a kitten at times, had a tendency to scuff his shots, and for quite a tall player, didn't offer an aerial threat.

I felt at the time it was the right decision to let him go. He might have improved his all-round game since then, I don't know.
However, I'm convinced if the same Robert Glatzel were to return he'd still be frustrating to watch.

[The Lone Gunman]

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Do you think perhaps Glatzel was hard done-by during his time at the City? Maybe we didn't play to his strengths (whatever they might have been)?

I honestly don't know. City were an utterly dreadful team to watch during most of his time here. The football was largely prehistoric. Would Glatzel have done any better in a team that set out to play in the way City did yesterday? Maybe, maybe not, but one thing's for sure - I'd have him in the side ahead of Watters or Harris without any hesitation.

I'm more interested in the wider question about the quality of Bundesliga 2, though. Is it a weaker league than the Championship? No idea. I don't think it's possible to compare the two with any kind of certainty. As I said before, Doyle couldn't get a game at Hamburg but walked into City's Championship side. Collins, who came from a mid-ranking Bundesliga 2 club, looked very useful again yesterday, just as he did against Norwich.

What puzzles me more than anything is the notion that the Championship is a strong league. It's competitive without a doubt, and it's physically-demanding for sure. It's a tough division to play in, often unpredictable, but the quality of the football rarely looks particularly good, especially in recent years.

It would be really interesting to see how the top ten Bundesliga 2 sides would compare with the the top ten Championship sides if they were to play each other over the course of a season, but it's something that's never going to happen so we can only guess how it would work out.

[Lither_1927]

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I think its likely Max Watters gets moved on and bangs in goals at a lower level we will get Watters threads.

Glatzel was a terrible signing and not good enough.

Agreed, i don't think Warnock did his research and was guided stereotypes.

[the other bob wilson]

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If Glatzel is so crap, I’d be grateful to have it explained to why he scores so many goals in German football - I’d love to have seen how he would have done in a team playing like we did yesterday.

[Swiss Peter]

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I honestly don't know. City were an utterly dreadful team to watch during most of his time here. The football was largely prehistoric. Would Glatzel have done any better in a team that set out to play in the way City did yesterday? Maybe, maybe not, but one thing's for sure - I'd have him in the side ahead of Watters or Harris without any hesitation.

I'm more interested in the wider question about the quality of Bundesliga 2, though. Is it a weaker league than the Championship? No idea. I don't think it's possible to compare the two with any kind of certainty. As I said before, Doyle couldn't get a game at Hamburg but walked into City's Championship side. Collins, who came from a mid-ranking Bundesliga 2 club, looked very useful again yesterday, just as he did against Norwich.

What puzzles me more than anything is the notion that the Championship is a strong league. It's competitive without a doubt, and it's physically-demanding for sure. It's a tough division to play in, often unpredictable, but the quality of the football rarely looks particularly good, especially in recent years.

It would be really interesting to see how the top ten Bundesliga 2 sides would compare with the the top ten Championship sides if they were to play each other over the course of a season, but it's something that's never going to happen so we can only guess how it would work out.

As you say, it's difficult to compare. My impression fwiw (very little!) after going to a couple of St.Pauli games last season, and watching the two B1/B2 relegation games on TV, is that any one of the teams I saw would have struggled against the likes of Fulham or Bournemouth last season. I was surprised by what seemed like a lack of quality at the top of B2. Obviously watching City this season but also going to a few German games in October (including the Hamburg derby if I'm lucky) and be interesting to see if it confirms my view that this year's City could probably more than match most in B2.

[The Lone Gunman]

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As you say, it's difficult to compare. My impression fwiw (very little!) after going to a couple of St.Pauli games last season, and watching the two B1/B2 relegation games on TV, is that any one of the teams I saw would have struggled against the likes of Fulham or Bournemouth last season. I.

In fairness, most Championship sides struggled against Fulham and Bournemouth last season.

[life on mars]

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I don't think the lower half of Bundesliga 1 is as good as the top half of Championship..

[The Lone Gunman]

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Another goal for Glatzel yesterday in Hamburg's 2-0 victory at Nuremburg. That's four goals in six league games this season.

His overall record for Hamburg is now 31 goals in 46 games.

[MacAdder]

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Another goal for Glatzel yesterday in Hamburg's 2-0 victory at Nuremburg. That's four goals in six league games this season.

His overall record for Hamburg is now 31 goals in 46 games.

Am I wrong in thinking that you seem to be insinuating that RG would be the answer to our current goalscoring problem?

Can't remember you backing him when he was with us, in fact it his hard to remember you backing anyone who has played for us :hehe:

As has been mentioned, it looks very much like he's found his level.

[The Lone Gunman]

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Am I wrong in thinking that you seem to be insinuating that RG would be the answer to our current goalscoring problem?

Yes. You're wrong. Although I'd have Glatzel in the side ahead of Watters in a heartbeat.

Perhaps Bundesliga 2 is his level. There were 35,713 at yesterday's game and 43,943 at Hamburg's last home game. So not an insignificant level by any means.

[Hilts]

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We didnt play to his strengths. 😂😂😂

[Ninja]

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I can't imagine the German lower leagues being any weaker than ours, there's a good standard throughout the German leagues and some good players in their lower leagues, I'd imagine it to be pretty comparable to ours at least, although I don't know that for sure.

It would be interesting to see what system he's playing in. He's done well back home in Germany previously so they are obviously using a system that he better fits into. Not sure how he'd fair as a lone striker for us, but probably better than he did during the hoofball era.

[MacAdder]

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.... I'd have Glatzel in the side ahead of Watters in a heartbeat.

Really? You should have said.

[MacAdder]

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I can't imagine the German lower leagues being any weaker than ours, there's a good standard throughout the German leagues and some good players in their lower leagues, I'd imagine it to be pretty comparable to ours at least, although I don't know that for sure.

It would be interesting to see what system he's playing in. He's done well back home in Germany previously so they are obviously using a system that he better fits into. Not sure how he'd fair as a lone striker for us, but probably better than he did during the hoofball era.

I disagree.
Apart from the obvious Bayern and a couple of teams who do "okay" in Europe, I'd say that the premier German league sides would be Championship level.