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    Watters has got a lot of shit recently and, to be fair, I've been one of his biggest critics.

    But the more I watch us, the more it becomes obvious that our midfield is just as big a part of the goalscoring problem.

    Nobody is breaking beyond. Nobody is capitalising on the space that Watters or the wide men create. The amount of crosses in the last 5 games that have been put on a plate 12 yards out from goal - with nobody on the end of them - is staggering.

    And I'm not sure why this is, especially with the insurance of Wintle sitting deep. Rinomhota describes himself as an energetic "box to box player", but I don't think he's actually set foot in the opposition penalty area yet. Running beyond the player in possession used to be Ralls' bread and butter, but he doesn't seem to have the legs for it anymore. And Sawyers obviously sees himself as a deep lying playmaker who is happy to provide the short option rather than break into the box.

    Don't get me wrong, our final ball isn't always perfect. But there are 2 or 3 occasions in every game where the wide man is putting balls in good areas and nobody's attacking the space. If the centre forward is going near post and taking the defender with him, any player who is willing to take that gamble has got a tap in half the time. But nobody seems interested. I don't know if that's because of Morison's instruction, because they don't have the intelligence or experience to make those runs, or if they simply can't be bothered. But if he insists on playing with wide men, then the same thing is going to keep happening week after week with the same end result.

    And as if to illustrate the point, look at Luton's first goal tonight. A midfielder running into the box and getting on the end of a cross.

    There's a lot to like this season. I enjoy the way we play out from the back and work the ball up the pitch. But Morison needs to swallow his pride and look at a different approach in the final third, because the current one is not working at all.

    And it's not because of Max Watters.

  • #2
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    Agree

    Our build up play was so predictable

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    • #3
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      Our midfielder is not perfect this season but it's far far better than it's been for several seasons now, with last season possibly being the worst.

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      • #4
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        For a start Talks should not be playing. We were at home tonight needing to take the game forwArd and win it. We leave out best attacking midfield player on the bench (Colwill) and continue to pick Ralls who has to be dubbed as he just wants to sit deep.
        I would tend to agree with your post as my thinking is now turning to "what is Morison coaching" .
        Our back four look solid (although we must learn how to defend free kicks outside our area).
        Our midfield looks neat but are mostly playing square or backwards.
        Simply finding a better striker than Watters is not the answer

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        • #5
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          2 strikers does not work for us

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          • #6
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            Originally posted by FormerlyJohnnyBreadhead View Post
            Watters has got a lot of shit recently and, to be fair, I've been one of his biggest critics.

            But the more I watch us, the more it becomes obvious that our midfield is just as big a part of the goalscoring problem.

            Nobody is breaking beyond. Nobody is capitalising on the space that Watters or the wide men create. The amount of crosses in the last 5 games that have been put on a plate 12 yards out from goal - with nobody on the end of them - is staggering.

            And I'm not sure why this is, especially with the insurance of Wintle sitting deep. Rinomhota describes himself as an energetic "box to box player", but I don't think he's actually set foot in the opposition penalty area yet. Running beyond the player in possession used to be Ralls' bread and butter, but he doesn't seem to have the legs for it anymore. And Sawyers obviously sees himself as a deep lying playmaker who is happy to provide the short option rather than break into the box.

            Don't get me wrong, our final ball isn't always perfect. But there are 2 or 3 occasions in every game where the wide man is putting balls in good areas and nobody's attacking the space. If the centre forward is going near post and taking the defender with him, any player who is willing to take that gamble has got a tap in half the time. But nobody seems interested. I don't know if that's because of Morison's instruction, because they don't have the intelligence or experience to make those runs, or if they simply can't be bothered. But if he insists on playing with wide men, then the same thing is going to keep happening week after week with the same end result.

            And as if to illustrate the point, look at Luton's first goal tonight. A midfielder running into the box and getting on the end of a cross.

            There's a lot to like this season. I enjoy the way we play out from the back and work the ball up the pitch. But Morison needs to swallow his pride and look at a different approach in the final third, because the current one is not working at all.

            And it's not because of Max Watters.
            Against Preston Watters made 5 diagonal runs behind their defenders and no midfielder even saw the runs let alone passed to him.

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            • #7
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              Originally posted by FormerlyJohnnyBreadhead View Post
              Watters has got a lot of shit recently and, to be fair, I've been one of his biggest critics.

              But the more I watch us, the more it becomes obvious that our midfield is just as big a part of the goalscoring problem.

              Nobody is breaking beyond. Nobody is capitalising on the space that Watters or the wide men create. The amount of crosses in the last 5 games that have been put on a plate 12 yards out from goal - with nobody on the end of them - is staggering.

              And I'm not sure why this is, especially with the insurance of Wintle sitting deep. Rinomhota describes himself as an energetic "box to box player", but I don't think he's actually set foot in the opposition penalty area yet. Running beyond the player in possession used to be Ralls' bread and butter, but he doesn't seem to have the legs for it anymore. And Sawyers obviously sees himself as a deep lying playmaker who is happy to provide the short option rather than break into the box.

              Don't get me wrong, our final ball isn't always perfect. But there are 2 or 3 occasions in every game where the wide man is putting balls in good areas and nobody's attacking the space. If the centre forward is going near post and taking the defender with him, any player who is willing to take that gamble has got a tap in half the time. But nobody seems interested. I don't know if that's because of Morison's instruction, because they don't have the intelligence or experience to make those runs, or if they simply can't be bothered. But if he insists on playing with wide men, then the same thing is going to keep happening week after week with the same end result.

              And as if to illustrate the point, look at Luton's first goal tonight. A midfielder running into the box and getting on the end of a cross.

              There's a lot to like this season. I enjoy the way we play out from the back and work the ball up the pitch. But Morison needs to swallow his pride and look at a different approach in the final third, because the current one is not working at all.

              And it's not because of Max Watters.
              Nah. A huge part of the problem is Max Watters.

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              • #8
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                Originally posted by Hilts View Post
                Nah. A huge part of the problem is Max Watters.
                Watters is an issue. The midfield is a bigger concern. We can replace Watters, we cannot easily address the lack of runners in midfield

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                • #9
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                  Originally posted by Pedro de la Rosa View Post
                  Watters is an issue. The midfield is a bigger concern. We can replace Watters, we cannot easily address the lack of runners in midfield
                  Not sure how the midfield is more of a concern when we have a striker/strikers who don't score.

                  How many one on one chances do our strikers need before actually putting one away?

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                  • #10
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                    Originally posted by Pedro de la Rosa View Post
                    Watters is an issue. The midfield is a bigger concern. We can replace Watters, we cannot easily address the lack of runners in midfield
                    The midfield is more than good enough to be comfortable mid table.

                    The striking options are the sort that gets you relegated.

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                    • #11
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                      Both are an issue for me.

                      Watters (maybe out of frustration) was on the touchline stood there at one point tonight whilst Ojo was five yards from him trying to beat the full back. Just not what you need from a striker.

                      The final third is just static all round though. It’s quite neat and intricate in midfield but as soon we get to the final third there is nothing fluid between the front 3, or anyone from midfield. I think Colwill can play top of a midfield 3 but he needs to be calmer. Trying too hard tonight (least of our problems I know). For me, Colwill must start every game now. He’s the only one we have with a bit of composure in the final third.

                      If it’s not a defence splitting through pass from wintle to give o dowda a chance to cut it across we’re restricted to long range strikes, all so predictable and we need a creative midfielder nearly as much as a striker imo.

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                      • #12
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                        Originally posted by Hilts View Post
                        Nah. A huge part of the problem is Max Watters.
                        Honest question. What would you ask Watters to do differently at the moment? Or, more to the point, what would you expect another striker to come in and do differently?

                        And I'm saying this as someone that doesn't particularly rate Watters.

                        People seem to think that if we get another striker in before the deadline all our attacking problems will magically disappear.

                        But the same problems will still be there. When this magic striker holds the ball up, he'll still be laying off a backwards pass, because all our midfielders are sat deep and unwilling to go in behind. There'll still be 3 players marking him because there's nobody else for the opposition to worry about.

                        To me the shape is the issue. I'd play with 2 strikers up top to at least give their centre backs something to think about, and a 10 - Colwill or Ojo - in behind to exploit the space. The full backs are so far up the pitch that they provide natural width.

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                        • #13
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                          Originally posted by WJ99mobile View Post
                          2 strikers does not work for us
                          One striker doesn’t work either! (If it is Watters or Harris anyway)

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                          • #14
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                            Originally posted by Hilts View Post
                            The midfield is more than good enough to be comfortable mid table.

                            The striking options are the sort that gets you relegated.
                            Our midfield doesn’t get in the opposition box at all. If the midfield are good enough, why aren’t they doing it, or is the manager not good enough?

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                            • #15
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                              It's painful seeing two in the box at 2 nil down.

                              The ball in has to be almost perfect.

                              Luton put a decent ball in for the first into a good area where there are 4 or 5 looking to attack it.

                              We are pretty and neat between the boxes but painfully slow and toothless when we get to the penalty area.

                              I don't understand why it hasn't been addressed. The lack of bravery from the midfielders to break beyond has been clear in most matches so far. It means Watters, who has been off the pace and is an issue is easily marked by a number of defenders for every cutback or cross.

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