Clive Tyldesley

[Dorcus]

Re: Clive Tyldesley

I'm sure he did make mistakes. I would guess many commentaries are full of them,live stuff always is.

They are very much of their time not designed for the multiple reruns of the modern era0

Martin Brundle for example made a mess at one point in the F1 on Sunday (mixed up who was to blame in the clash of the two Ferraris).

I still preferred Moore to Davies who struck me as a bit pretentious at times. I actually preferred his non football commentaries which were often excellent

Elwood, I know I don't agree with you overmuch but you're bang on with this one. Barry Davies sounded like a schoolteacher and was never a sport's commentator. Moore was slicker, Wolstenholme was class but of a certain era, I stick by my guns, David Coleman got your heart pounding without the statty and trivial guff! On the flip side, is there worse than Idwal Robling and Jonathan Pearce? Though Ian Darke should stick at boxing and he's not very good at that, is he Harry? Second attempt: John Hardy on Radio Wales is probably the worst radio commentator and even managed to make Robling and Pearce sound good.

[Elwood Blues]

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Match of the Day had plenty of time for after match commentating, 5 hours after the final whistles. It’s these people’s jobs, they’d be experienced enough to sort their abridged commentary out for the ten o’clock transmission, easier to do that than clip, edit and sort out continuity of a complete 90 minute commentary I’d imagine. And, yes, I did think Moore came across as a smug bugger, wasn’t keen on him at all.

He was apparently a very modest and unassuming man well liked by players and managers alike.

Good friend of Brian Clough apparently and described as "the doyen of football commentators," by Sir Alex Ferguson.

I remember listening to Match of the Day and the Big Match all those years ago.

There is a different sound to commentary from a studio. Live at a match it mixes in with the crowd noises and sounds less artificial.

I'm sure with modern technology you can mix commentary and crowd noise to sound as if they were done at the same time.

I am doubtful if the technology of the 70's and 80's could have been so effective

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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Of course it’s plausible, as if someone would commentate on a live Saturday afternoon game for the whole 90 odd minutes live (why would they need to?) then that commentary would be used 24 hours later for half hour of highlights, the continuity would be all over the place. The skill of the commentator would be commentating ‘as live’ in the abbreviated game and not going down the smug, football genius road.

I know that Match of the Day send their commentators to the grounds. They also record the crowd audio without commentary in case anything needs amending after the game. There are some commentators, like Pearce and Wilson, who apparently will not edit their commentaries after the game and want their authentic, as-it-happens-live versions broadcast.

[Joe Gillis]

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Classic David Coleman...
Liverpool showing their party-pieces, Newcastle were undressed.

[Optimistic Nick]

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Classic David Coleman...
Liverpool showing their party-pieces, Newcastle were undressed.

A touch of class in an otherwise tawdry thread.

Pretty much anybody involved in the presentation of football today has a personal interest in selling the game as a commercial product, rather than reporting on it as a sporting event. To my mind, Coleman does not fall into this camp. He was a sports enthusiast who could accurately convey the magnitude of an event. I doubt he would have over-sold the importance of Leicester vs West Ham.

Tyldesely is a reasonable commentator, with a tendency for hyperbole and nostalgia. He fairly accurately describes what is happening in a manner that is irritating rather than obtrusive, a la Jonathan Pierce. It is bizarre that he genuinely believes that anybody cares about a minor internal reorganisation of roles. He will presumably retire in the next few years and most football fans won't notice: he is nothing special, nothing terrible. That twitter clip belies a narcissism that I'd not really noticed before in a commentator other than the Moron In The Sheepskin Coat, or the uniquely appalling Alan Green.

Lots of really good sports presenters/commentators/journalists have lost their jobs in the last few years, so this daft tit whinging about him being second-best but still employed really rankles. Cornelius Lysaght and Mark Pougatch are two that spring to mind- far more insightful and offer far more to their sports than the mediocre, forgettable game-calling of Tyldesley.

Clive, give your retirement speech when you retire and just say thanks for sending me to games I had no real right to be at. Daft twat.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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A touch of class in an otherwise tawdry thread.

Pretty much anybody involved in the presentation of football today has a personal interest in selling the game as a commercial product, rather than reporting on it as a sporting event. To my mind, Coleman does not fall into this camp. He was a sports enthusiast who could accurately convey the magnitude of an event. I doubt he would have over-sold the importance of Leicester vs West Ham.

Tyldesely is a reasonable commentator, with a tendency for hyperbole and nostalgia. He fairly accurately describes what is happening in a manner that is irritating rather than obtrusive, a la Jonathan Pierce. It is bizarre that he genuinely believes that anybody cares about a minor internal reorganisation of roles. He will presumably retire in the next few years and most football fans won't notice: he is nothing special, nothing terrible. That twitter clip belies a narcissism that I'd not really noticed before in a commentator other than the Moron In The Sheepskin Coat, or the uniquely appalling Alan Green.

Lots of really good sports presenters/commentators/journalists have lost their jobs in the last few years, so this daft tit whinging about him being second-best but still employed really rankles. Cornelius Lysaght and Mark Pougatch are two that spring to mind- far more insightful and offer far more to their sports than the mediocre, forgettable game-calling of Tyldesley.

Clive, give your retirement speech when you retire and just say thanks for sending me to games I had no real right to be at. Daft twat.

Kept nodding throughout that.

In addition, I think that Sky introduced and developed that selling of football during commentary. Along came the regular hyperbole that never happened before. People believed they were getting something far better than they were used to.

Tyler is dreadful for this "AND IT'S LIVE", though he has a great way of putting images into words. He needs to retire in the next year or so though. Parry has been demoted to Championship and he needs shifting as well. Nobody else at Sky deserves to be a regular in the hot seat, so it'll be interesting to see what happens there.

Hope Sky don't get Mowbray. I don't rate him. Steve Wilson is a very good commentator, I also like Simon Brotherton, but there aren't many coming through that deserve top billing at Sky. Peter Drury would be my shout.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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You brought up the raspberry jam..I brought up the loganberry jam...

Arsehole all erect

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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I think they are all ***** to be honest

Apart from phil Suarez

[Optimistic Nick]

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Kept nodding throughout that.

In addition, I think that Sky introduced and developed that selling of football during commentary. Along came the regular hyperbole that never happened before. People believed they were getting something far better than they were used to.

Tyler is dreadful for this "AND IT'S LIVE", though he has a great way of putting images into words. He needs to retire in the next year or so though. Parry has been demoted to Championship and he needs shifting as well. Nobody else at Sky deserves to be a regular in the hot seat, so it'll be interesting to see what happens there.

Hope Sky don't get Mowbray. I don't rate him. Steve Wilson is a very good commentator, I also like Simon Brotherton, but there aren't many coming through that deserve top billing at Sky. Peter Drury would be my shout.

Oh, Sky are the source of many evils. So my suggestion is: just get rid of them. I did, over a decade ago. As a result I am less informed about modern football than many, but I can spot a snakeoil salesman when he comes knocking. And most of those gurning twats staring back at you from their overblown coverage fit that category.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Oh, Sky are the source of many evils. So my suggestion is: just get rid of them. I did, over a decade ago. As a result I am less informed about modern football than many, but I can spot a snakeoil salesman when he comes knocking. And most of those gurning twats staring back at you from their overblown coverage fit that category.

I hate SKY , wouldnt ever pay for that

[CCFCC3PO]

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Kept nodding throughout that.

In addition, I think that Sky introduced and developed that selling of football during commentary. Along came the regular hyperbole that never happened before. People believed they were getting something far better than they were used to.

Tyler is dreadful for this "AND IT'S LIVE", though he has a great way of putting images into words. He needs to retire in the next year or so though. Parry has been demoted to Championship and he needs shifting as well. Nobody else at Sky deserves to be a regular in the hot seat, so it'll be interesting to see what happens there.

Hope Sky don't get Mowbray. I don't rate him. Steve Wilson is a very good commentator, I also like Simon Brotherton, but there aren't many coming through that deserve top billing at Sky. Peter Drury would be my shout.

Tyler is almost certainly told to do the "AND IT'S LIVE", and I get the sense a few of the co-commentators are fed lines so that they will sound great in the future.

[CCFCC3PO]

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Oh, Sky are the source of many evils. So my suggestion is: just get rid of them. I did, over a decade ago. As a result I am less informed about modern football than many, but I can spot a snakeoil salesman when he comes knocking. And most of those gurning twats staring back at you from their overblown coverage fit that category.

Ditching Sky is the best decision we ever took. £70 a month by the time I quit it. Replaced by Netflix for £12 a month. 44

To get Sky Sports, you have to take out the Entertainment package. You want a specific channel, that's a different package. I occasionally invest in Now TV it was £200 for the season, split with my partner and a work colleague, about £70 each. Hadn't watched Sky Sports for 3/4 years, it is irritating when you realise that their main agenda is to overhype everything they cover so can't see us making the same decision for next season.

[Tuerto]

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I know the name (Clive Tyldesley)But i wouldn't have known who he works for or what he sounds like and the alleged crap that he spouts. I don't listen to any of them, never have, or the pundits. I have the TV on mute if i watch a game as their is absolutely nothing that they can tell me about what i'm watching, unless i'm interested in how many caps a certain player has got for whichever county he represents (which i'm not) Commentary and punditry is just noise to me. When i watch a game in the flesh i never consider having someone sat next to me telling me what's going on, or another person summarising events at half time. I have no problem doing that myself.

[lardy]

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I know the name (Clive Tyldesley)But i wouldn't have known who he works for or what he sounds like and the alleged crap that he spouts. I don't listen to any of them, never have, or the pundits. I have the TV on mute if i watch a game as their is absolutely nothing that they can tell me about what i'm watching, unless i'm interested in how many caps a certain player has got for whichever county he represents (which i'm not) Commentary and punditry is just noise to me. When i watch a game in the flesh i never consider having someone sat next to me telling me what's going on, or another person summarising events at half time. I have no problem doing that myself.

I hope you really do summarise the game at half time by yourself

[Tuerto]

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I hope you really do summarise the game at half time by yourself

Poor bastards sat next to me..... I drive my son insane when we watch a game together.