Gabbs - He's not wrong is he?

[Ninja]

I think his recent comments about the club being directionless are pretty spot on. Does anybody have a scooby about where we're going these days?
The lack of communication is, quite frankly, f*cking staggering. Probably the worst I've seen it in over 35 yrs as a fan.
The last time I remember it being this bad was when Kumar was assett-stripping us and selling the tables and chairs.
Have we ever had an owner so staggeringly ignorant as Tan is now?

[UNDERHILL1927]

Re: Gabbs - He's not wrong is he?

Tan has always been staggeringly ignorant

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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I think his recent comments about the club being directionless are pretty spot on. Does anybody have a scooby about where we're going these days?
The lack of communication is, quite frankly, f*cking staggering. Probably the worst I've seen it in over 35 yrs as a fan.
The last time I remember it being this bad was when Kumar was assett-stripping us and selling the tables and chairs.
Have we ever had an owner so staggeringly ignorant as Tan is now?

We've been saying the same things for the last few seasons.

[Hilts]

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All would be ok if things were good on the pitch.

Football ok no one would care about the board unless there were real financial issues.

[The Bloop]

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A combination of Sala, relegation and Warnocks spending, seem to have knocked the last bit of stuffing out of any interest he had.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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I find it hard to come to the conclusion he's not aware

I just think he's not that bothered and doesn't want to spend any more money at the moment

[Ninja]

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I find it hard to come to the conclusion he's not aware

I just think he's not that bothered and doesn't want to spend any more money at the moment

I think he only bought Robinson because of pressure from the fan-base.

I know there's always an element of "better the devil you know", but we don't even know who the devil is anymore.

Might as well do one, not much point hanging around anymore.

[jon1959]

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Might as well do one, not much point hanging around anymore.

What does that mean?

Some people seem to be very confident there is a queue of people with deep pockets desperate to buy Cardiff City FC.

I doubt it. I doubt there has been any interest, serious or not, since before Covid.

'Doing one' means walking away. That really would be disaster for this club.

I believe the regular manager stories about telephone or zoom calls with Tan and that he watches all the matches. His interest and his wealth may have gone south, but they are still there. He is overseeing a club without a strategy, with a part-time and out-of-town board that has very limited football knowledge, and a complete inability to communicate with the fans. But there are also positives to the club, and many of them have come good under Tan's ownership. There are better Championship owners out there, but there are also some much worse.

[the other bob wilson]

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What does that mean?

Some people seem to be very confident there is a queue of people with deep pockets desperate to buy Cardiff City FC.

I doubt it. I doubt there has been any interest, serious or not, since before Covid.

'Doing one' means walking away. That really would be disaster for this club.

I believe the regular manager stories about telephone or zoom calls with Tan and that he watches all the matches. His interest and his wealth may have gone south, but they are still there. He is overseeing a club without a strategy, with a part-time and out-of-town board that has very limited football knowledge, and a complete inability to communicate with the fans. But there are also positives to the club, and many of them have come good under Tan's ownership. There are better Championship owners out there, but there are also some much worse.

I wouldn't disagree with much of what you say Jon. Tan just walking away would be a huge, possibly fatal, blow for the club - there's virtually no chance of that happening though.

However, if it really is Vincent Tan's desire to leave the club in a better state than when he came into it, then I can't help thinking that he needs to sell up quickly. I say that because, although I'm more optimistic than most it seems about our current squad, we're only heading one way based on how the club has performed on and off the pitch this season and last. It may not happen this season, but we're heading for League One if Vincent Tan continues with the present approach and once we're there, any claim Tan has of leaving us in a healthier position disappears.

As for potential buyers, I agree that it's harder to find them post Covid and in the current economic situation, but I don't think it's impossible - I'm sure that if word went out on the football grapevine that Cardiff City's owner wanted to sell up quickly, then there would be potential buyers out there.

The imponderable in all of this though is the Sala situation and I believe that's the most likely reason for the inertia around the club at the moment. I read recently that City are planning a further appeal against the Arbitration in Sports verdict - it's hard to see how this can benefit us and I think we should just accept the verdict and look to the future now, but I fully accept that it's easy for me to say that as it would cost me nothing.

So ,my guess is that Tan won't be going anywhere until we've reached the position where there are no more avenues which could exonerate us to be explored. However, if we do that, then the likelihood that our owner will be able to leave us better off than when he came in declines dramatically - if current levels of backing and interest are continued.

[splott parker]

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Isn’t Gabbidon involved with Isaak Davies in some way? If so, with his closeness to a player(s) his views could be echoing the squad’s take on matters.

[splott parker]

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The imponderable in all of this though is the Sala situation and I believe that's the most likely reason for the inertia around the club at the moment. I read recently that City are planning a further appeal against the Arbitration in Sports verdict - it's hard to see how this can benefit us and I think we should just accept the verdict and look to the future now, but I fully accept that it's easy for me to say that as it would cost me nothing.

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The Sala situation leaves a bad taste in the mouth regarding the club. Throwing a lot of money in various legal costs to ‘save’ money on the transfer fee, it’s ludicrous. Terrible analogy and I apologise in advance of this part of my post. Id imagine we’ve all bought something that when brought home doesn’t do what it says on the tin and we've been livid with ourselves for buying a dud but at the time we wanted it, paid for it, ultimately never used it but took it on the chin. Ok, it wouldn’t have cost as much as Sala’s transfer fee but everything is in ratio and the City are a multi million pound concern.

City, be the bigger man, pay the bill, whilst issuing a full statement with observations re. The McKay’s involvement and various other discrepancies. It would, hopefully, help the club’s current PR, which in some circles, I’d imagine is in tatters.

[Undercoverinwurzelland]

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He is overseeing a club without a strategy, with a part-time and out-of-town board that has very limited football knowledge, and a complete inability to communicate with the fans.

This is the key point. Tan doesn't need to go anywhere or inject more money to have a more successful and economically sound club.

[jon1959]

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The imponderable in all of this though is the Sala situation and I believe that's the most likely reason for the inertia around the club at the moment. I read recently that City are planning a further appeal against the Arbitration in Sports verdict - it's hard to see how this can benefit us and I think we should just accept the verdict and look to the future now, but I fully accept that it's easy for me to say that as it would cost me nothing.

I think you are right about this. I was in favour of the club challenging the Nantes fee if (as it was claimed) the contract was incomplete and that was in major part due to parties other than Cardiff City FC. But rightly or wrongly we now have a verdict from CAS that backs Nantes and FIFA.

There is the possibility of a further appeal via the Swiss courts, but only on the basis that an error in law has been made at an earlier stage - if that is done it seems like a desperate exercise in kicking the can down the road to buy more time, but probably won't delay FIFA sanctions - with a three window transfer ban for starters. There is also the probability (based on Dalman's previous statements) of civil action against the organisers of the flight - but if that goes ahead it should be in the background and not affect fee payments.

Cardiff/Tan should pay the Sala fee. A comprehensive statement on the contract and insurance situation, the FIFA and CAS rulings, and any planned civil action, would help with the fans and press, but I suspect that would be too embarrassing. But it does feel as if this sad and sorry saga has hamstrung the club - not just financially, but emotionally too. Tan and Dalman both give off a sense of deep grievance and anger - but as more times goes by that looks like an indulgence the club cannot afford.

[Dorcus]

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I think you are right about this. I was in favour of the club challenging the Nantes fee if (as it was claimed) the contract was incomplete and that was in major part due to parties other than Cardiff City FC. But rightly or wrongly we now have a verdict from CAS that backs Nantes and FIFA.

There is the possibility of a further appeal via the Swiss courts, but only on the basis that an error in law has been made at an earlier stage - if that is done it seems like a desperate exercise in kicking the can down the road to buy more time, but probably won't delay FIFA sanctions - with a three window transfer ban for starters. There is also the probability (based on Dalman's previous statements) of civil action against the organisers of the flight - but if that goes ahead it should be in the background and not affect fee payments.

Cardiff/Tan should pay the Sala fee. A comprehensive statement on the contract and insurance situation, the FIFA and CAS rulings, and any planned civil action, would help with the fans and press, but I suspect that would be too embarrassing. But it does feel as if this sad and sorry saga has hamstrung the club - not just financially, but emotionally too. Tan and Dalman both give off a sense of deep grievance and anger - but as more times goes by that looks like an indulgence the club cannot afford.

I think that's an excellent summary of the situation Jon. However it only serves to underline the fact that the Sala tragedy has become a watershed event for the club and it's owner. I think for both financial and emotional reasons it would be better for Tan and the fan base equally if we part company and the club searches for new beginnings.