Hope you enjoyed that Vincent

[life on mars]

Re: Hope you enjoyed that Vincent

Having witnessed up close exactly what you've done to this club.

You reap what you sow.

Are you suggesting that basic skills , poor attitude , ineffective effort , under performance ,against an average side is Tan's fault ?? However average these players maybe i, they should have beaten Hull or at a minimum not lost ..

[stan butler]

Re: Hope you enjoyed that Vincent

Are you suggesting that basic skills , poor attitude , ineffective effort , under performance ,against an average side is Tan's fault ?? However average these players maybe i, they should have beaten Hull or at a minimum not lost ..

He's some multi whose obsessed. Just check his posts.
One of the club bashers minions over here to stir

[blue lewj]

Re: Hope you enjoyed that Vincent

Are you suggesting that basic skills , poor attitude , ineffective effort , under performance ,against an average side is Tan's fault ?? However average these players maybe i, they should have beaten Hull or at a minimum not lost ..

I'm suggesting that Vincent Tan picked the manager who sent the team out to play, is responsible for morale within the squad, sets the game plan and tactics.

I am suggesting that Vincent Tan, while being a member of our self appointed transfer committee had final say on all of the signings in our squad. Basically all of it.

I've noticed that VT has distanced himself from the bad signings in his recent interview. He accuses them of wasting his money. So we have a man within our transfer committee who has virtually admitted to agreeing to signings that he has no real clue about.

My post was a post aimed at Vincent Tan, though I doubt he would ever read it. I hoped that he enjoyed watching the monster that he has created. We can and should have beaten Hull but Vincent Tan has created a squad and manager that got beaten. We can't ask for a re-count at the end of the season if we go down because we should have beaten some. Points are awarded on actual results. Those are the facts.

[blue lewj]

Re: Hope you enjoyed that Vincent

He's some multi whose obsessed. Just check his posts.
One of the club bashers minions over here to stir

Club basher? 😂

You on the other hand are some odd job who has fabricated that I want Sam back for daring to question the owner and his decisions.

You also seem to follow me around like a stale guff on here too for some reason while adding nothing to the thread as usual.

[tforturton]

Re: Hope you enjoyed that Vincent

The last few years of cutting and cutting the budget has left us with a cheap team, led by a cheap manager, backed by cheap coaching. How Uncle Vinnie can be even slightly surprised is beyond me. As a businessman, he must know that if you get rid of all your good staff, and you don't replace them, then your business will start to falter, and if nothing is done, it will begin to fail. Your customers will drift away, and things will get worse and worse. We need to recruit, and do it properly - no more cheap signings, in any position.

[Dorcus]

Re: Hope you enjoyed that Vincent

Top rant!

Although Harris is a good Championship player - if not an out-and-out striker - and we can't 'return' Campbell anywhere.

I'd pick Harris before Ojo every time.

[splott parker]

Re: Hope you enjoyed that Vincent

I'd pick Harris before Ojo every time.

I’d pick Brian Harris before him, and he’s long gone!

[Rjk]

Re: Hope you enjoyed that Vincent

I'd pick Harris before Ojo every time.

Ojo was ok last time he was with us

[Tuerto]

Re: Hope you enjoyed that Vincent

Ojo was ok last time he was with us

I would agree with that. He did have his flaws and concentration problems, but i do think that there is a player in there somewhere. NYC Blue made a good point recently. something along the lines of his head isn't quite right. There seems to be a theme with some modern day footballers who rely on technical ability, in terms that if they start badly, they don't seem to recover, things get progressively worse. I don't know if that's down to how they are expected to play. 20 years ago, a player like ojo etc could back out of taking risks and playing with their back to goal by turning themselves around and just doing the basics, in short, just doing the bear minimum so that they didn't put themselves in positions of failure. That isn't an option in todays game as forward thinking midfielders are expected to get ob the ball.

Ir's a difficult position to be in and one that needs a fast start if things are to flourish, and i do wonder about the intelligence levels of players like ojo, it's like they've been coached so hard that to make personal adjustments is outside of their remit. He's never going to be a world beater, but i do believe that if things are right for him and if he can use some intelligence on the pitch, then he will make a positive contribution. There's a lack of character out there sometimes, and i do think that the modern young player is coached so hard that some of them just can't take their foot off the coaching manual pedal and play outside what is failing. I hope that he comes good. I'll also add that i believe that young modern coaches need to adjust, or allow players to adjust when things are failing. There seems to be a puerile element in terms of how football should be played now.

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Hope you enjoyed that Vincent

The last few years of cutting and cutting the budget has left us with a cheap team, led by a cheap manager, backed by cheap coaching. How Uncle Vinnie can be even slightly surprised is beyond me. As a businessman, he must know that if you get rid of all your good staff, and you don't replace them, then your business will start to falter, and if nothing is done, it will begin to fail. Your customers will drift away, and things will get worse and worse. We need to recruit, and do it properly - no more cheap signings, in any position.

We can’t recruit “properly” now because of the abysmal recruitment when we did have money to spend.

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Hope you enjoyed that Vincent

I would agree with that. He did have his flaws and concentration problems, but i do think that there is a player in there somewhere. NYC Blue made a good point recently. something along the lines of his head isn't quite right. There seems to be a theme with some modern day footballers who rely on technical ability, in terms that if they start badly, they don't seem to recover, things get progressively worse. I don't know if that's down to how they are expected to play. 20 years ago, a player like ojo etc could back out of taking risks and playing with their back to goal by turning themselves around and just doing the basics, in short, just doing the bear minimum so that they didn't put themselves in positions of failure. That isn't an option in todays game as forward thinking midfielders are expected to get ob the ball.

Ir's a difficult position to be in and one that needs a fast start if things are to flourish, and i do wonder about the intelligence levels of players like ojo, it's like they've been coached so hard that to make personal adjustments is outside of their remit. He's never going to be a world beater, but i do believe that if things are right for him and if he can use some intelligence on the pitch, then he will make a positive contribution. There's a lack of character out there sometimes, and i do think that the modern young player is coached so hard that some of them just can't take their foot off the coaching manual pedal and play outside what is failing. I hope that he comes good. I'll also add that i believe that young modern coaches need to adjust, or allow players to adjust when things are failing. There seems to be a puerile element in terms of how football should be played now.

Ojo is lacking confidence currently, but the poor first touch which handed Hull possession inside our own half for their first two goals has always been there. He has pace, power and decent ability once he has the ball under control, but he has very little game intelligence and is so frustrating to watch.

[WJ99mobile]

Re: Hope you enjoyed that Vincent

Having witnessed up close exactly what you've done to this club.

You reap what you sow.

So much self sabotage and the bitterness runs deep

There were people that wanted us to fail when we were doing well, and happy we’re failing now

Weird attitudes

[Dorcus]

Re: Hope you enjoyed that Vincent

Ojo was ok last time he was with us

No more than ok in my opinion. I wonder what Liverpool ever saw in him.

[blue lewj]

Re: Hope you enjoyed that Vincent

So much self sabotage and the bitterness runs deep

There were people that wanted us to fail when we were doing well, and happy we’re failing now

Weird attitudes

Am I bitter about the way the club has been run and continues to be run? Definitely.

I want us to do well which is why I am not happy with what is happening here.

If anything, saying everything is great when it clearly isn't is more likely to see us spiral to League 1 with the handbrake off than it is if we demand better.

The head of our so called transfer committee has come out during the last few days accusing previous managers of having him over on transfers that didn't work out.
You're the head of the transfer committee ffs. You put yourself in that position and thought yourself to be above taking advice or employing somebody with more knowledge.

He gets no sympathy from me. The problem here is the Tan apologists that believe he is a top owner while we make the same mistakes repeatedly and slide down the league.

[WJ99mobile]

Re: Hope you enjoyed that Vincent

Am I bitter about the way the club has been run and continues to be run? Definitely.

I want us to do well which is why I am not happy with what is happening here.

If anything, saying everything is great when it clearly isn't is more likely to see us spiral to League 1 with the handbrake off than it is if we demand better.

The head of our so called transfer committee has come out during the last few days accusing previous managers of having him over on transfers that didn't work out.
You're the head of the transfer committee ffs. You put yourself in that position and thought yourself to be above taking advice or employing somebody with more knowledge.

He gets no sympathy from me. The problem here is the Tan apologists that believe he is a top owner while we make the same mistakes repeatedly and slide down the league.

The mistakes are personnel and it’s Choo and Dalman that are clearly at fault here.

He’s done his bit