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[the other bob wilson]

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Has anyone else’s opinion of Page changed over the past nine days? I thought four years was too long for his new contract, but I wasn’t against a shorter one. However, just like I find it so hard to single out any player who had a good tournament overall, I’d say Page has had a disastrous one - is there anything in it he can be said to have done well?

[UNDERHILL1927]

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Has anyone else’s opinion of Page changed over the past nine days? I thought four years was too long for his new contract, but I wasn’t against a shorter one. However, just like I find it so hard to single out any player who had a good tournament overall, I’d say Page has had a disastrous one - is there anything in it he can be said to have done well?

My opinion that he’s not tactically good enough has never changed. Plain for all to see in the Denmark 4-0, we were massively lucky against Ukraine. He’s not good enough at this level.

[Jordi Culé]

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My opinion that he’s not tactically good enough has never changed. Plain for all to see in the Denmark 4-0, we were massively lucky against Ukraine. He’s not good enough at this level.

I concur with that.

Not wishing to sound ungrateful as we did get to a World Cup which I never thought I’d see but we need a ruthless coach not a decent lad who you wouldn’t mind having a pint with.

Page doesn’t react quickly enough, Denmark in the Euros, USA last week and we got mullered v Iran due to them having Queiroz who identified how poor we were in midfield.

[the other bob wilson]

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My opinion that he’s not tactically good enough has never changed. Plain for all to see in the Denmark 4-0, we were massively lucky against Ukraine. He’s not good enough at this level.

Denmark are a top ten side (or very close to one), were playing at home in front of a crowd, and nation, which was united by the near tragedy which happened in their first match - I think most sides in that tournament would have struggled to avoid defeat in such circumstances. I agree that luck was on our side against Ukraine, but, again, Wales were the "baddies" against opponents driven on by more than just football.

This time though, I can't come up with any excuses. I'll make a small allowance for injuries, but, increasingly, the impression I'm getting from this tournament is that not one single Welsh player matched their potential (and I'm not talking their absolute best there) - not one Welshman performed to the level that they do in an average performance for their club. To my mind, that asks questions about things like preparation, spirit, tactical approach, selection and substitutions and motivation = all of the things which you think management and coaching are responsible for.

[Jordi Culé]

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Denmark are a top ten side (or very close to one), were playing at home in front of a crowd, and nation, which was united by the near tragedy which happened in their first match - I think most sides in that tournament would have struggled to avoid defeat in such circumstances. I agree that luck was on our side against Ukraine, but, again, Wales were the "baddies" against opponents driven on by more than just football.

This time though, I can't come up with any excuses. I'll make a small allowance for injuries, but, increasingly, the impression I'm getting from this tournament is that not one single Welsh player matched their potential (and I'm not talking their absolute best there) - not one Welshman performed to the level that they do in an average performance for their club. To my mind, that asks questions about things like preparation, spirit, tactical approach, selection and substitutions and motivation = all of the things which you think management and coaching are responsible for.

I think the words “half arsed” describe your second paragraph Bobbito.

Players, coaches, lack of energy (Neco Williams aside), tactics, etc.

[Trigger]

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Has anyone else’s opinion of Page changed over the past nine days? I thought four years was too long for his new contract, but I wasn’t against a shorter one. However, just like I find it so hard to single out any player who had a good tournament overall, I’d say Page has had a disastrous one - is there anything in it he can be said to have done well?

No, it was a mess.

Goes beyond him of course but he's one that can be replaced.

I don't think tactically he has a great grasp, which given our limitations doesn't help.

We're going to need more than keep things tight and hope Bale does something moving forward. We looked anything but organised.

[The Bloop]

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The problem I see us facing is having a manager who's astute enough to pick the right team to start with and make the right calls during games, and having someone with enough knowledge of the youngsters coming through to be able to blend them into the squad.
Prior to Page, we had people who could do both.

[Divine Wright]

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I concur with that.

Not wishing to sound ungrateful as we did get to a World Cup which I never thought I’d see but we need a ruthless coach not a decent lad who you wouldn’t mind having a pint with.

Page doesn’t react quickly enough, Denmark in the Euros, USA last week and we got mullered v Iran due to them having Queiroz who identified how poor we were in midfield.

I don't even see it as a lack of gratitude for the qualification.

The standard of football has been pretty dire. There has been very little in the way of playing football as far as I can remember.

I think that changing the manager because you don't want the side to continue playing smash and grab football is legitimate.

[Hilts]

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To be fair. While we talk about blending and developing youngsters like Tosh , Flynn , Speed its not as simple as that.

The main reason for the success was one exceptional player in Bale and another near World Class player in Ramsey. We also had good solid player like Allen and Williams.

There were plenty backing the selections of Jonny Williams , Gunter etc.

The positive the likes of Isaak Davies , Rubin Colwill , Ollie Denham should be fired up because there are not just places in the squad available but id say there are 7 or 8 starting positions up for grabs.

[truthpaste]

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4 ****ing years. Jesus.

He's more interested in Saving individuals that realise their souls are even in greater danger than RP's position as Wales manager.

ie for them, RIP isn't currently an on the cards.

[The Bloop]

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He's more interested in Saving individuals that realise their souls are even in greater danger than RP's position as Wales manager.

ie for them, RIP isn't currently an on the cards.

Like many others I prayed for a miracle last night.
Thanks for nothing.

[A Quiet Monkfish]

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Denmark are a top ten side (or very close to one), were playing at home in front of a crowd, and nation, which was united by the near tragedy which happened in their first match - I think most sides in that tournament would have struggled to avoid defeat in such circumstances. I agree that luck was on our side against Ukraine, but, again, Wales were the "baddies" against opponents driven on by more than just football.

This time though, I can't come up with any excuses. I'll make a small allowance for injuries, but, increasingly, the impression I'm getting from this tournament is that not one single Welsh player matched their potential (and I'm not talking their absolute best there) - not one Welshman performed to the level that they do in an average performance for their club. To my mind, that asks questions about things like preparation, spirit, tactical approach, selection and substitutions and motivation = all of the things which you think management and coaching are responsible for.

You're conveniently ignoring the elephant in room.

[ManBearPig]

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We also had to move a right back to left back, and one of our better midfielders to right back due to injuries.

We did have a rightback on the bench. But he is old, past it and only there for the bantz..

[Monster munch]

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Well we're stuck with him now so hopefully he's learnt a lot and can turn it around for the next euro campaign. He talks the talk but lets face it, this tournament was embarrassing. If we start fluffing it against latvia and armenia at home in the spring and summer then he'll have to go.

[North Cardiff Blue]

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Who’s out there, that could replace Page ?

Giggs if he doesn't get convicted next time?

Probably won't work again, no smoke without fire and all that?